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<P><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">The exception is not true, we recently requested more IP space for web hosting and were denied because of the new policy. We had to valid reasons. </FONT></P>
<P><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">1. Search Engines blacklist by IP and account for submissions by IP, one of our biggest selling points is that we get great positioning in search engines.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">2. Most of our clients have HTTP 1.0 browsers, and are unable to upgrade because of company policies for the offices they work with. </FONT></P>
<P><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">3. A large percentage of our clients use SSL, we work in the real estate / mortgage field and the customers are VERY paranoid.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">For all intents and purposes we have been cut off from around 40% of our client base. We have produced documentation to ARIN for both of these reasons and they still denied it citing "ARIN official policy is to deny IP base web hosting, no exceptions". We are being forced to request more address space from our upstream provider so that we can cover the sites that would like to be SSL. </FONT></P>
<P><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">This is not acceptable. This forced change has cost us a large (in our terms, we are not the largest company) amount of business, and forced us to loose business to competitors that just host using space from upstream providers. The reason we went to ARIN issued space was for portability across our providers, in the long run it may hurt us more than the benefit it will give us.</FONT></P>
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<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">Scott Johnson</FONT>
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<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">(714) 685-5124</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">sjohnson@advancedaccess.com</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">-----Original Message-----</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">From: Jeremy Porter [<A HREF="mailto:jerry@fc.net">mailto:jerry@fc.net</A>]</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2000 1:35 AM</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">To: Mury</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">Cc: Alec H. Peterson; Matt Bailey; arin-discuss@arin.net; ppml@arin.net</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">Subject: Re: guideline for name-based web hosting justification </FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">I don't think Alec has called anyone whiners. The policy has been</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">discussed and as presented does not change the business climate for</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">for existing users of addresses. For new assignments I quote:</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New"><A HREF="http://www.arin.net/announcements/policy_changes.html" TARGET="_blank">http://www.arin.net/announcements/policy_changes.html</A></FONT>
<BR> <FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">Exceptions may be made for ISPs that provide justification for </FONT>
<BR> <FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">requiring static addresses. ARIN will determine, on a case-by-case </FONT>
<BR> <FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">basis, whether an exception is appropriate. </FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">If you are sure that your use of one IP per Host is justfiable, then</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">you should have no problem getting an exception approved.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">Perhaps if you are complaining maybe you don't feel that your</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">use has technical merit?</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">"Back in the day" when I ran an ISP and Web hosting business for a living,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">we used single IPs for WWW (http 1.1 didn't exist), assigned static</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">IPs to all customers, etc. When new technologies came about</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">and policies changed, we followed. We ended up renumber those static</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">customers and some significiant business cost, because it was the</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">right thing to do. It wasn't easy, the customers didn't like it,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">it made accounting and access control harder.</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">With that said, theses issues were discussed at the ARIN policy meeting,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">and there weren't huge objections, so the conclusion was reached that</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">there were significant objectors. Luckily there is a meeting in</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">just a few weeks, where you are invited to discusse it more, and</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">perhaps better wording can be determined that would allow existing</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">operations to switch to more efficient technologies in a reasonable</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">time frame, while still encouraging better utilization of</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">IP addressing.</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">I'm sure if several vocal www hosting business pushed for changed wording</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">that still encouraged better utilization, that it would be considered.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">From my recollection of the last ARIN meeting there was a significant</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">lack of input from WWW hosting companies, as there were only a handful</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">present.</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">"Whining" (your words) about it on the mailing list might not be</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">enough. Also I'd think you find Alec would be more than willing</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">to help address any technical issues you might find, but telling him</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">"math is hard" isn't likely to win you much, and personal attacks, will</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">likely just be ignored, as he's been doing this long enough to not take</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">the "bait".</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">In message <Pine.BSI.4.21.0009120008070.23889-100000@dew.goldengate.net>, Mury </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">writes:</FONT>
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<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">>Dear Alec,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">>Since you basically called those of us pointing out some real issues</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">>"whiners," I took the liberty of finding out a little bit more about</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">>you. It looks like you are probably a fairly bright person, probably a</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">>lot smarter than me. >From looking at your web site though and reading</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">>your comments below I question how much you really understand what you are</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">>talking about when you trivialize some of the issues that have been</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">>brought up.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">>I also find it interesting that in your presentation to the 11th NANOG</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">>meeting that you did with Avi Freedman (Isn't he working for Digital</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">>Island now? Or one of the other distributed content providers) you are</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">>supporting a technology that not only assigns an IP address to a web site</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">>but assigns multiple IP addresses to a single site. Perhaps I didn't</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">>decipher your presentation correctly, but it sure seems like you are</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">>supporting performance/service level issues above and beyond IP</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">>conservation. Ah, I hear it coming, that each distributed node can handle</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">>multiple distributed sites off of a single IP. Very true. Do you know</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">>what the ratio of managed sites to in-service systems is? How many</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">>locations is Akamai in? I really don't know what the IP "waste" ratio is. </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">>But the point is you are supporting performance at the expense of IP</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">>addresses however large or small that may be.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">>In addition, you even argue against yourself. You say, "For example,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">>don't do all of the parsing at once at the end of the day; modify the</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">>server to keep a running tally of a customer's usage and have it write</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">>that alone to a file on the disk every time it changes. Far more</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">>efficient. That's just off the top of my head, and probably not a really</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">>efficient way to do it."</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">>What?! How can it be *far more efficient* and then in the next line it's</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">>*not a really efficient*" Can you see why I'm not very thrilled with your</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">>off the cuff and seemingly inexperienced comments?</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">>By making light of some real issues that were brought up it sure seems</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">>like your statements are hypocritical. Now like I said, I'm not the</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">>smartest guy out here, so if I've badly misrepresented things I apologize</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">>in advance.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">>Bottom line, for every one out there saying it's no big deal to do single</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">>IP virtual hosting I would like to see a solution that does not sacrifice</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">>reliability, accountability, quality of service, and functionality. I</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">>hate it when people (even smart people) start voicing opinions on things</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">>they don't understand. </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">>I'm also not stubborn. I'm not running things the way I do because it's</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">>my way, but because they work, they are scalable, they are functionable,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">>and we have zero down time. I've tried Microsoft IIS. It doesn't work. </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">>Well doh, of course it works, but not for a company that demands uptime</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">>and security and a fast and simple database. I have to reboot co-located</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">>IIS machines all the time. My BSDI/Apache/MySQL/Perl/PHP/Raven boxes have</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">>had zero downtime in the last 3 years. That is not an invitation to hack</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">>or DOS my network. But thanks for thinking about me.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">>And like I said before, when appropriate we have assigned multiple sites</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">>to a single IP. We actually do it by sending all requests into a CGI</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">>script that grabs the HTTP_HOST env variable and creates the customized</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">>web site on the fly with MySQL. So yes, we are trying to conserve IP</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">>addresses, we are not greedy, whiny bastards trying to screw the Internet</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">>up for everyone else.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">>For those of you running Apache that want to know how to do it the right</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">>way, go to: <A HREF="http://www.apache.org/docs/vhosts/name-based.html" TARGET="_blank">http://www.apache.org/docs/vhosts/name-based.html</A></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">>Cool! Now we all know how to do name based hosting... er, wait... what</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">>about all those HTTP/1.0 browsers!? You don't think they exist any</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">>more? Check this out. In fairness I sampled all my virtual hosts off of</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">>one server from a selective time period. All my logs files are in the</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">>www.domain.com format. Here are my commands and results:</FONT>
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<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">>webserver3: {17} % grep 'HTTP/1.1' www.*.com | wc -l</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">> 400441</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">>webserver3: {18} % grep 'HTTP/1.0' www.*.com | wc -l</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">> 375412</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">>48.4% of the browsers out there that accessed my customers' sites used</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">>HTTP/1.0. For the uninitiated the 1.0 version of the HTTP protocol does</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">>NOT support name based hosting.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">>Can I tell all my customers to call you when their online business drops</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">>by almost 50%. By the way, can you use a shared IP for secure server</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">>certificates?</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">>Some more thoughts...</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">>Look at some of the new comers to the tech scene, Keynote, Akamai,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">>Speedera, Digital Island, etc. These company's success show how important</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">>it is to the world to have fast, reliable, and secure web sites. Quality</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">>of Service (in its broad definition) is paramount. And if you don't</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">>believe that you can make a fortune by shorting the stock in those</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">>companies.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">>I don't want to see any more comments that I should be doing things</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">>smarter and better. I want to see explanations of how I can accomplish</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">>the things that you say are so easy. Like I said I'm not stubborn... show</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">>me the way. If you can't, then please refrain from making popular</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">>political statements that don't affect YOUR business and your customers'</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">>business.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">>There's my not so bright, whiny, long-winded $10 worth.</FONT>
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<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">>Mury</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">>GoldenGate Internet Services</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">>PS. If you are such an advocate for IP conservation why do you have a</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">>whole block? I can't tell how many IPs you are wasting because your</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">>provider has not swipped your block. But you have multiple web sites</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">>running on multiple IPs! What's your excuse?</FONT>
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<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">>Name: gw1.hilander.com</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">>Address: 216.241.32.33</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">>Name: virthost.hilander.com</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">>Address: 216.241.32.35</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">>Name: ramirez.hilander.com</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">>Address: 216.241.32.34</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">>Pretty interesting web sites I might add.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">>If you are going to call someone a whiner you better have your own act</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">>together. The hypocrisy is killing me.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">>Like I said, I'm sure you are smarter than me, but stick to what you know.</FONT>
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<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">>On Mon, 11 Sep 2000, Alec H. Peterson wrote:</FONT>
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<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">>> Mury wrote:</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">>> > </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">>> > Yikes!</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">>> > </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">>> > Have you ever tried to parse up to 1000 log files per system, with some of</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">>> > them around 500MB in size. It's not nearly as easy as it sounds.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">>> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">>> It is if you change how you write and parse your logs.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">>> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">>> > </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">>> > For some people it's feasable, but for most of us we *need* IP based</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">>> > accounting.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">>> > </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">>> > By the way, we are setup to do a large number of URL's pointed at a single</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">>> > IP for some hosting applications, but for the majority of our sites, it is</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">>> > not an option.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">>> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">>> Can't say that I have tried it. However at the same time I can think of</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">>> quite a few ways to make the task far easier and faster. For example, don't</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">>> do all of the parsing at once at the end of the day; modify the server to</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">> keep a running tally of a customer's usage and have it write that alone to a</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">>> file on the disk every time it changes. Far more efficient.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">>> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">>> That's just off the top of my head, and probably not a really efficient way</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">>> to do it. My point is that the Internet is made up of a lot of smart people</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">>> who are more than capable of solving these issues if they feel like it. </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">>> Whining about how today's methods of accounting won't work with tomorrow's</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">>> methods of virtual hosting is a lot like complaining about how yesterday's</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">>> chalk writes really poorly on today's white boards. If you don't want to be</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">>> left behind you have to keep on evolving.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">>> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">>> After all, where would we be today if dial-up providers decided that it was</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">>> too much work to use dynamically allocated IP addresses and kept on giving</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">>> each user their own IP address?</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">>> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">>> However, name-based virtual hosts aren't exactly a new thing. Many large</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">>> web hosters have been using name-based virtual hosts for a while now, so</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">>> would any of those companies mind sharing a little wisdom on how this can be</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">>> done?</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">>> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">>> Thanks,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">>> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">>> Alec</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">>> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">>> -- </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">>> Alec H. Peterson - ahp@hilander.com</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">>> Staff Scientist</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">>> CenterGate Research Group - <A HREF="http://www.centergate.com" TARGET="_blank">http://www.centergate.com</A></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">>> "Technology so advanced, even _we_ don't understand it!"</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">>> </FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">--- jerry@fc.net</FONT>
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