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<DIV><FONT face="Courier New" color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=371073520-12092000>Hello Scott,</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Courier New" color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=371073520-12092000></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Courier New" color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=371073520-12092000>Considering a large percentage of your customers use
SSL there must</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Courier New" color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=371073520-12092000>have been a mistake or misunderstanding during the
review of your</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Courier New" color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=371073520-12092000>request for additional IP address
space.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Courier New" color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=371073520-12092000></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Courier New" color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=371073520-12092000>I will be contacting you personally (off-list)
to </SPAN></FONT><FONT face="Courier New" color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=371073520-12092000>discuss your request </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Courier New" color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=371073520-12092000>and </SPAN></FONT><FONT face="Courier New"
color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=371073520-12092000>bring it to a quick
resolution.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Courier New" color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=371073520-12092000></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Courier New" color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=371073520-12092000>Best Regards,</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Courier New" color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=371073520-12092000>
<P><FONT size=2>Richard Jimmerson<BR>American Registry for Internet Numbers
(ARIN)<BR></FONT></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> owner-arin-discuss@arin.net
[mailto:owner-arin-discuss@arin.net]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Host
Master<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, September 12, 2000 3:04 PM<BR><B>To:</B>
arin-discuss@arin.net; ppml@arin.net<BR><B>Subject:</B> <BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<P><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>The exception is not true, we recently
requested more IP space for web hosting and were denied because of the new
policy. We had to valid reasons. </FONT></P>
<P><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>1. Search Engines blacklist by IP and
account for submissions by IP, one of our biggest selling points is that we
get great positioning in search engines.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>2. Most of our clients have HTTP 1.0
browsers, and are unable to upgrade because of company policies for the
offices they work with. </FONT></P>
<P><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>3. A large percentage of our clients use
SSL, we work in the real estate / mortgage field and the customers are VERY
paranoid.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>For all intents and purposes we have been
cut off from around 40% of our client base. We have produced documentation to
ARIN for both of these reasons and they still denied it citing "ARIN official
policy is to deny IP base web hosting, no exceptions". We are being forced to
request more address space from our upstream provider so that we can cover the
sites that would like to be SSL. </FONT></P>
<P><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>This is not acceptable. This forced change
has cost us a large (in our terms, we are not the largest company) amount of
business, and forced us to loose business to competitors that just host using
space from upstream providers. The reason we went to ARIN issued space was for
portability across our providers, in the long run it may hurt us more than the
benefit it will give us.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>---</FONT> <BR><FONT face="Courier New"
size=2>Scott Johnson</FONT> <BR><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>Director Of
Software Engineering</FONT> <BR><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>Advanced
Access</FONT> <BR><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>(714) 685-5124</FONT>
<BR><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>sjohnson@advancedaccess.com</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>-----Original Message-----</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Courier New" size=2>From: Jeremy Porter [<A
href="mailto:jerry@fc.net">mailto:jerry@fc.net</A>]</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Courier New" size=2>Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2000 1:35 AM</FONT>
<BR><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>To: Mury</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Courier New" size=2>Cc: Alec H. Peterson; Matt Bailey;
arin-discuss@arin.net; ppml@arin.net</FONT> <BR><FONT face="Courier New"
size=2>Subject: Re: guideline for name-based web hosting justification
</FONT></P><BR><BR>
<P><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>I don't think Alec has called anyone
whiners. The policy has been</FONT> <BR><FONT face="Courier New"
size=2>discussed and as presented does not change the business climate
for</FONT> <BR><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>for existing users of
addresses. For new assignments I quote:</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Courier New" size=2><A target=_blank
href="http://www.arin.net/announcements/policy_changes.html">http://www.arin.net/announcements/policy_changes.html</A></FONT>
<BR> <FONT face="Courier New"
size=2>Exceptions may be made for ISPs that provide justification for
</FONT><BR> <FONT face="Courier New"
size=2>requiring static addresses. ARIN will determine, on a case-by-case
</FONT><BR> <FONT face="Courier New"
size=2>basis, whether an exception is appropriate. </FONT></P>
<P><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>If you are sure that your use of one IP per
Host is justfiable, then</FONT> <BR><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>you should
have no problem getting an exception approved.</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Courier New" size=2>Perhaps if you are complaining maybe you don't feel
that your</FONT> <BR><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>use has technical
merit?</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>"Back in the day" when I ran an ISP and Web
hosting business for a living,</FONT> <BR><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>we
used single IPs for WWW (http 1.1 didn't exist), assigned static</FONT>
<BR><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>IPs to all customers, etc. When new
technologies came about</FONT> <BR><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>and
policies changed, we followed. We ended up renumber those static</FONT>
<BR><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>customers and some significiant business
cost, because it was the</FONT> <BR><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>right
thing to do. It wasn't easy, the customers didn't like it,</FONT>
<BR><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>it made accounting and access control
harder.</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>With that said, theses issues were
discussed at the ARIN policy meeting,</FONT> <BR><FONT face="Courier New"
size=2>and there weren't huge objections, so the conclusion was reached
that</FONT> <BR><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>there were significant
objectors. Luckily there is a meeting in</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Courier New" size=2>just a few weeks, where you are invited to discusse
it more, and</FONT> <BR><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>perhaps better wording
can be determined that would allow existing</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Courier New" size=2>operations to switch to more efficient technologies
in a reasonable</FONT> <BR><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>time frame, while
still encouraging better utilization of</FONT> <BR><FONT face="Courier New"
size=2>IP addressing.</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>I'm sure if several vocal www hosting
business pushed for changed wording</FONT> <BR><FONT face="Courier New"
size=2>that still encouraged better utilization, that it would be
considered.</FONT> <BR><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>From my recollection of
the last ARIN meeting there was a significant</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Courier New" size=2>lack of input from WWW hosting companies, as there
were only a handful</FONT> <BR><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>present.</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>"Whining" (your words) about it on the
mailing list might not be</FONT> <BR><FONT face="Courier New"
size=2>enough. Also I'd think you find Alec would be more than
willing</FONT> <BR><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>to help address any
technical issues you might find, but telling him</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Courier New" size=2>"math is hard" isn't likely to win you much, and
personal attacks, will</FONT> <BR><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>likely just
be ignored, as he's been doing this long enough to not take</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Courier New" size=2>the "bait".</FONT> </P><BR>
<P><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>In message
<Pine.BSI.4.21.0009120008070.23889-100000@dew.goldengate.net>, Mury
</FONT><BR><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>writes:</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Courier New" size=2>></FONT> <BR><FONT face="Courier New"
size=2>>Dear Alec,</FONT> <BR><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>></FONT>
<BR><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>>Since you basically called those of us
pointing out some real issues</FONT> <BR><FONT face="Courier New"
size=2>>"whiners," I took the liberty of finding out a little bit more
about</FONT> <BR><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>>you. It looks like
you are probably a fairly bright person, probably a</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Courier New" size=2>>lot smarter than me. >From looking at
your web site though and reading</FONT> <BR><FONT face="Courier New"
size=2>>your comments below I question how much you really understand what
you are</FONT> <BR><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>>talking about when you
trivialize some of the issues that have been</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Courier New" size=2>>brought up.</FONT> <BR><FONT face="Courier New"
size=2>></FONT> <BR><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>>I also find it
interesting that in your presentation to the 11th NANOG</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Courier New" size=2>>meeting that you did with Avi Freedman (Isn't he
working for Digital</FONT> <BR><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>>Island
now? Or one of the other distributed content providers) you are</FONT>
<BR><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>>supporting a technology that not only
assigns an IP address to a web site</FONT> <BR><FONT face="Courier New"
size=2>>but assigns multiple IP addresses to a single site. Perhaps I
didn't</FONT> <BR><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>>decipher your
presentation correctly, but it sure seems like you are</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Courier New" size=2>>supporting performance/service level issues
above and beyond IP</FONT> <BR><FONT face="Courier New"
size=2>>conservation. Ah, I hear it coming, that each distributed
node can handle</FONT> <BR><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>>multiple
distributed sites off of a single IP. Very true. Do you
know</FONT> <BR><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>>what the ratio of managed
sites to in-service systems is? How many</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Courier New" size=2>>locations is Akamai in? I really don't
know what the IP "waste" ratio is. </FONT><BR><FONT face="Courier New"
size=2>>But the point is you are supporting performance at the expense of
IP</FONT> <BR><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>>addresses however large or
small that may be.</FONT> <BR><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>></FONT>
<BR><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>>In addition, you even argue against
yourself. You say, "For example,</FONT> <BR><FONT face="Courier New"
size=2>>don't do all of the parsing at once at the end of the day; modify
the</FONT> <BR><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>>server to keep a running
tally of a customer's usage and have it write</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Courier New" size=2>>that alone to a file on the disk every time it
changes. Far more</FONT> <BR><FONT face="Courier New"
size=2>>efficient. That's just off the top of my head, and probably
not a really</FONT> <BR><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>>efficient way to
do it."</FONT> <BR><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>></FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Courier New" size=2>>What?! How can it be *far more efficient*
and then in the next line it's</FONT> <BR><FONT face="Courier New"
size=2>>*not a really efficient*" Can you see why I'm not very
thrilled with your</FONT> <BR><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>>off the cuff
and seemingly inexperienced comments?</FONT> <BR><FONT face="Courier New"
size=2>></FONT> <BR><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>>By making light of
some real issues that were brought up it sure seems</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Courier New" size=2>>like your statements are hypocritical. Now
like I said, I'm not the</FONT> <BR><FONT face="Courier New"
size=2>>smartest guy out here, so if I've badly misrepresented things I
apologize</FONT> <BR><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>>in advance.</FONT>
<BR><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>></FONT> <BR><FONT face="Courier New"
size=2>>Bottom line, for every one out there saying it's no big deal to do
single</FONT> <BR><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>>IP virtual hosting I
would like to see a solution that does not sacrifice</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Courier New" size=2>>reliability, accountability, quality of service,
and functionality. I</FONT> <BR><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>>hate
it when people (even smart people) start voicing opinions on things</FONT>
<BR><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>>they don't understand.
</FONT><BR><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>></FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Courier New" size=2>>I'm also not stubborn. I'm not running
things the way I do because it's</FONT> <BR><FONT face="Courier New"
size=2>>my way, but because they work, they are scalable, they are
functionable,</FONT> <BR><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>>and we have zero
down time. I've tried Microsoft IIS. It doesn't work.
</FONT><BR><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>>Well doh, of course it works,
but not for a company that demands uptime</FONT> <BR><FONT face="Courier New"
size=2>>and security and a fast and simple database. I have to reboot
co-located</FONT> <BR><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>>IIS machines all the
time. My BSDI/Apache/MySQL/Perl/PHP/Raven boxes have</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Courier New" size=2>>had zero downtime in the last 3 years.
That is not an invitation to hack</FONT> <BR><FONT face="Courier New"
size=2>>or DOS my network. But thanks for thinking about me.</FONT>
<BR><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>></FONT> <BR><FONT face="Courier New"
size=2>>And like I said before, when appropriate we have assigned multiple
sites</FONT> <BR><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>>to a single IP. We
actually do it by sending all requests into a CGI</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Courier New" size=2>>script that grabs the HTTP_HOST env variable and
creates the customized</FONT> <BR><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>>web site
on the fly with MySQL. So yes, we are trying to conserve IP</FONT>
<BR><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>>addresses, we are not greedy, whiny
bastards trying to screw the Internet</FONT> <BR><FONT face="Courier New"
size=2>>up for everyone else.</FONT> <BR><FONT face="Courier New"
size=2>></FONT> <BR><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>>For those of you
running Apache that want to know how to do it the right</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Courier New" size=2>>way, go to: <A target=_blank
href="http://www.apache.org/docs/vhosts/name-based.html">http://www.apache.org/docs/vhosts/name-based.html</A></FONT>
<BR><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>></FONT> <BR><FONT face="Courier New"
size=2>>Cool! Now we all know how to do name based hosting... er,
wait... what</FONT> <BR><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>>about all those
HTTP/1.0 browsers!? You don't think they exist any</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Courier New" size=2>>more? Check this out. In fairness I
sampled all my virtual hosts off of</FONT> <BR><FONT face="Courier New"
size=2>>one server from a selective time period. All my logs files
are in the</FONT> <BR><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>>www.domain.com
format. Here are my commands and results:</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Courier New" size=2>></FONT> <BR><FONT face="Courier New"
size=2>>webserver3: {17} % grep 'HTTP/1.1' www.*.com | wc -l</FONT>
<BR><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>> 400441</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Courier New" size=2>>webserver3: {18} % grep 'HTTP/1.0' www.*.com |
wc -l</FONT> <BR><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>> 375412</FONT>
<BR><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>></FONT> <BR><FONT face="Courier New"
size=2>>48.4% of the browsers out there that accessed my customers' sites
used</FONT> <BR><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>>HTTP/1.0. For the
uninitiated the 1.0 version of the HTTP protocol does</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Courier New" size=2>>NOT support name based hosting.</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Courier New" size=2>></FONT> <BR><FONT face="Courier New"
size=2>>Can I tell all my customers to call you when their online business
drops</FONT> <BR><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>>by almost 50%. By
the way, can you use a shared IP for secure server</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Courier New" size=2>>certificates?</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Courier New" size=2>></FONT> <BR><FONT face="Courier New"
size=2>>Some more thoughts...</FONT> <BR><FONT face="Courier New"
size=2>></FONT> <BR><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>>Look at some of the
new comers to the tech scene, Keynote, Akamai,</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Courier New" size=2>>Speedera, Digital Island, etc. These
company's success show how important</FONT> <BR><FONT face="Courier New"
size=2>>it is to the world to have fast, reliable, and secure web
sites. Quality</FONT> <BR><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>>of Service
(in its broad definition) is paramount. And if you don't</FONT>
<BR><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>>believe that you can make a fortune by
shorting the stock in those</FONT> <BR><FONT face="Courier New"
size=2>>companies.</FONT> <BR><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>></FONT>
<BR><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>>I don't want to see any more comments
that I should be doing things</FONT> <BR><FONT face="Courier New"
size=2>>smarter and better. I want to see explanations of how I can
accomplish</FONT> <BR><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>>the things that you
say are so easy. Like I said I'm not stubborn... show</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Courier New" size=2>>me the way. If you can't, then please
refrain from making popular</FONT> <BR><FONT face="Courier New"
size=2>>political statements that don't affect YOUR business and your
customers'</FONT> <BR><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>>business.</FONT>
<BR><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>></FONT> <BR><FONT face="Courier New"
size=2>>There's my not so bright, whiny, long-winded $10 worth.</FONT>
<BR><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>></FONT> <BR><FONT face="Courier New"
size=2>>Mury</FONT> <BR><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>>GoldenGate
Internet Services</FONT> <BR><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>></FONT>
<BR><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>>PS. If you are such an advocate
for IP conservation why do you have a</FONT> <BR><FONT face="Courier New"
size=2>>whole block? I can't tell how many IPs you are wasting
because your</FONT> <BR><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>>provider has not
swipped your block. But you have multiple web sites</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Courier New" size=2>>running on multiple IPs! What's your
excuse?</FONT> <BR><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>></FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Courier New" size=2>>Name: gw1.hilander.com</FONT>
<BR><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>>Address: 216.241.32.33</FONT>
<BR><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>></FONT> <BR><FONT face="Courier New"
size=2>>Name: virthost.hilander.com</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Courier New" size=2>>Address: 216.241.32.35</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Courier New" size=2>></FONT> <BR><FONT face="Courier New"
size=2>>Name: ramirez.hilander.com</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Courier New" size=2>>Address: 216.241.32.34</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Courier New" size=2>></FONT> <BR><FONT face="Courier New"
size=2>>Pretty interesting web sites I might add.</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Courier New" size=2>></FONT> <BR><FONT face="Courier New"
size=2>>If you are going to call someone a whiner you better have your own
act</FONT> <BR><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>>together. The
hypocrisy is killing me.</FONT> <BR><FONT face="Courier New"
size=2>></FONT> <BR><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>>Like I said, I'm
sure you are smarter than me, but stick to what you know.</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Courier New" size=2>></FONT> <BR><FONT face="Courier New"
size=2>></FONT> <BR><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>>On Mon, 11 Sep
2000, Alec H. Peterson wrote:</FONT> <BR><FONT face="Courier New"
size=2>></FONT> <BR><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>>> Mury
wrote:</FONT> <BR><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>>> >
</FONT><BR><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>>> > Yikes!</FONT>
<BR><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>>> > </FONT><BR><FONT
face="Courier New" size=2>>> > Have you ever tried to parse up to
1000 log files per system, with some of</FONT> <BR><FONT face="Courier New"
size=2>>> > them around 500MB in size. It's not nearly as easy
as it sounds.</FONT> <BR><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>>>
</FONT><BR><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>>> It is if you change how
you write and parse your logs.</FONT> <BR><FONT face="Courier New"
size=2>>> </FONT><BR><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>>> >
</FONT><BR><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>>> > For some people it's
feasable, but for most of us we *need* IP based</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Courier New" size=2>>> > accounting.</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Courier New" size=2>>> > </FONT><BR><FONT face="Courier New"
size=2>>> > By the way, we are setup to do a large number of URL's
pointed at a single</FONT> <BR><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>>> >
IP for some hosting applications, but for the majority of our sites, it
is</FONT> <BR><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>>> > not an
option.</FONT> <BR><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>>> </FONT><BR><FONT
face="Courier New" size=2>>> Can't say that I have tried it.
However at the same time I can think of</FONT> <BR><FONT face="Courier New"
size=2>>> quite a few ways to make the task far easier and faster.
For example, don't</FONT> <BR><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>>> do all
of the parsing at once at the end of the day; modify the server to</FONT>
<BR><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>> keep a running tally of a customer's
usage and have it write that alone to a</FONT> <BR><FONT face="Courier New"
size=2>>> file on the disk every time it changes. Far more
efficient.</FONT> <BR><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>>>
</FONT><BR><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>>> That's just off the top of
my head, and probably not a really efficient way</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Courier New" size=2>>> to do it. My point is that the
Internet is made up of a lot of smart people</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Courier New" size=2>>> who are more than capable of solving these
issues if they feel like it. </FONT><BR><FONT face="Courier New"
size=2>>> Whining about how today's methods of accounting won't work
with tomorrow's</FONT> <BR><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>>> methods of
virtual hosting is a lot like complaining about how yesterday's</FONT>
<BR><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>>> chalk writes really poorly on
today's white boards. If you don't want to be</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Courier New" size=2>>> left behind you have to keep on
evolving.</FONT> <BR><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>>> </FONT><BR><FONT
face="Courier New" size=2>>> After all, where would we be today if
dial-up providers decided that it was</FONT> <BR><FONT face="Courier New"
size=2>>> too much work to use dynamically allocated IP addresses and
kept on giving</FONT> <BR><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>>> each user
their own IP address?</FONT> <BR><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>>>
</FONT><BR><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>>> However, name-based
virtual hosts aren't exactly a new thing. Many large</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Courier New" size=2>>> web hosters have been using name-based
virtual hosts for a while now, so</FONT> <BR><FONT face="Courier New"
size=2>>> would any of those companies mind sharing a little wisdom on
how this can be</FONT> <BR><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>>>
done?</FONT> <BR><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>>> </FONT><BR><FONT
face="Courier New" size=2>>> Thanks,</FONT> <BR><FONT face="Courier New"
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Alec</FONT> <BR><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>>> </FONT><BR><FONT
face="Courier New" size=2>>> -- </FONT><BR><FONT face="Courier New"
size=2>>> Alec H. Peterson - ahp@hilander.com</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Courier New" size=2>>> Staff Scientist</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Courier New" size=2>>> CenterGate Research Group - <A
target=_blank
href="http://www.centergate.com">http://www.centergate.com</A></FONT>
<BR><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>>> "Technology so advanced, even
_we_ don't understand it!"</FONT> <BR><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>>>
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<P><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>--- jerry@fc.net</FONT> </P>
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