[arin-discuss] ARIN Election Processes and Email Campaigning

Wed Oct 24 17:25:08 EDT 2018

Damn, not this again.

BKT

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 24, 2018, at 5:18 PM, Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com<mailto:owen at delong.com>> wrote:

The candidate in question sent several unsolicited advertisements to people about his candidacy.

The ensuing 100+ Email chain was mostly legitimate (modulo the misdirected unsubscribe requests), but the original candidate emails that prompted this email chain were, in fact, unsolicited advertisements.

Owen

On Oct 24, 2018, at 10:33 , Michael Zindel <michael.zindel at libertybroadband.site<mailto:michael.zindel at libertybroadband.site>> wrote:

No unsolicited advertisement took place. This chain originated from an ethical question provided by an ARIN member about candidates using email information to contact members directly. It's as relevant to ARIN and its function as it really gets. You might as well be complaining about someone asking on a Ford shareholder mailing list if Ford executives using Ford records to contact Ford shareholders while campaigning for the Ford BoD is ethically acceptable. If you don't like participating in the ARIN community through this mailing list, take the steps provided by ARIN staff to remove yourself from it.

On Sat, Oct 20, 2018 at 12:28 PM Daniel Corbe <dcorbe at hammerfiber.com<mailto:dcorbe at hammerfiber.com>> wrote:

Well, if you want to be rude about it, sure.   I guess the rest of us
suck for not wanting to deal with unsolicited advertisements and the
ensuing 100+ E-mail chain that resulted.   Most of which was simply
requests to be removed from the mailing list.

Enjoy your spam all you like, but leave the rest of us alone.

Mike Hammett <mike.hammett at ics-il.com<mailto:mike.hammett at ics-il.com>> writes:

> I think the people opposed to candidate e-mails need to get over themselves.
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> From: "Ryan Root" <rroot at rootautomation.com<mailto:rroot at rootautomation.com>>
> To: "Andreas Worbs" <anw at artfiles.de<mailto:anw at artfiles.de>>, arin-discuss at arin.net<mailto:arin-discuss at arin.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2018 5:23:21 AM
> Subject: Re: [arin-discuss] ARIN Election Processes and Email Campaigning
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> My answer is I believe a brief if perhaps still a little long.  The very act of choosing to or not to send unsolicited
> communications regarding candidating during a voting season clearly let's people make personal and organizational decisions
> about the candidates and their ethical priorities.  Next, as has been repeatedly stated, this is a group of people representing
> themselves a d their organizations that are forming policy and are themselves or are working for what are also legally
> establishments that can help block or even ignore but still log these issues or chose to take public or legal actions as they
> see fit.  As such, it is not ARIN'S job to try to protect or enable in any special ways any candidate that has access to the
> same information legally obtained as any other candidate being voted on.  To remove the right of a candidate to potentially
> make a serious ethical mistake that may keep them from office would be a mistake.  The annoyance of these types of unsolicited
> or even potentially illegally impersonating communications does not and should not force ARIN's hand in becoming essentially an
> authority over the governments they operate under and with creating for them legal precedent they could use to avoid being held
> liable for and even possibly criminally prosecuted their similar actions.  Although to some extent ARIN may look like it's
> image is being harmed in this situation if it has not and is not breaking any laws regarding privacy it would be wise I think
> to push the responsibility of forming and obeying existing laws back to the governments ARIN operates under and only with if it
> does not usurp their authority.
>
> Ryan
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Andreas Worbs <anw at artfiles.de<mailto:anw at artfiles.de>>
> Date: 10/17/18 12:39 AM (GMT-08:00)
> To: arin-discuss at arin.net<mailto:arin-discuss at arin.net>
> Subject: Re: [arin-discuss] ARIN Election Processes and Email Campaigning
>
> I'm in favor to prohibit this sort of campaign. I think it's better to
> have a ARIN campaign site where each candidate can introduce himself and
> ARIN will send an official mail with the link to this site and all
> further campaign discussion in arindiscuss will be prohibited. Perhaps
> another mailinglist arin-election or something like that makes sense for
> these guys who wants to discuss about the election and the candidates
>
> Am 16.10.18 um 20:24 schrieb John Curran:
>> To the end, please comment on the question:  “Should ARIN’s election
>> processes prohibit bulk campaign email  to the electorate, or is the
>> present approach suitable as-is?”
>>
>> Thanks!
>> /John
>>
>> John Curran
>> President and CEO
>> American Registry for Internet Numbers
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