[arin-discuss] ARIN Election Processes and Email Campaigning

Tue Oct 16 16:15:51 EDT 2018

I was not bothered by the one e-mail I received from an ARIN board candidate. I didn't read it carefully, but I wasn't bothered by it.

Perhaps the stream of messages about ARIN election spam should be preserved and forwarded to future candidates with a suggestion that they consider the potential responses before sending e-mails to potential voters.

I did read the candidate bios before I voted and thought each of candidates were well qualified.

The bigger question is how to convince eligible voters to actually pay attention to the ARIN elections and vote. I don't have an answer for that question.

Keith

From: ARIN-discuss [mailto:arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net] On Behalf Of Patrick Laughton
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Jawaid,

https://lists.arin.net/pipermail/arin-announce/2018-October/002272.html , FWIW.

Patrick

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How about send an email with short bios of candidates, and links to pages with more info. And have same on the ARIN web site.
On 10/16/2018 01:57 PM, Patrick Laughton wrote:
I skimmed the candidate profiles right after voting opened, but hadn't gotten around to voting until after the controversy started. To be honest, I was dead set to vote against any candidate who emailed me when I got back to it, but damned if they weren't well-qualified and seemed like a right choice, other than mildly irking me with an unsolicited email.

Patrick

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I'm in favor of making the voting contacts available to the campaigns, with an opt out for those who are truly bothered. I would appreciate hearing from candidates, it might actually motivate me to research them and actually cast a vote. Whatever we have now doesn't reach me usefully and I'd basically be picking candidates based on name familiarity and coin flips otherwise. Might even be more effective than leaving voicemails on my cell phone to vote for people I've never heard of.

-Paul

On 10/16/2018 03:13 PM, Robby Wright wrote:
Maybe giving each candidate a single email blast to present themselves would reduce the mess. Then restrict all other campaign usage. The campaign materials could be combined into a smaller number of emails. I have to admit it would be nice to know who I am voting for.

Robby Wright
Chief Architect and Consultant
Abtech Technologies, Inc.
760-827-5141

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Subject: Re: [arin-discuss] ARIN Election Processes and Email Campaigning

Hi All.

Seems to me that just doing a prohibition on using the mailing list for campaigning purposes would solve the direct issue.

As to Whois information and such, my 2 cents is that there is no real need to touch/attack that. That information is public info that doesn't have an opt-in/opt-out process and thus is no different than if some company looked it up to spam someone for any reason. If a candidate feels it would help them (some might say it would hurt them), then so be it.

But then again, I wasn't upset to begin with so..... :P

Take care,
Rick

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Subject: [arin-discuss] ARIN Election Processes and Email Campaigning
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On 16 Oct 2018, at 8:06 PM, Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com<mailto:owen at delong.com>> wrote:

Perhaps we should disallow election spam rather than changing the opt-in/opt-out policy for arin-discuss.

Owen - You have perfect timing, as I was about to send a message to reopen this discussion...

Folks -

Last week, while our election was underway, I sent the following to arin-discuss:  "Once this election is complete, we can then enjoy a discussion of whether any changes to our Whois terms of use (or our election processes in general) is warranted in this regard. "

I will note that ARIN's 2018 election is complete - https://www.arin.net/announcements/2018/20181015.html<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.arin.net_announcements_2018_20181015.html&d=DwMD-g&c=aXfg9j-An5sFdflqnjAj_USiCjXm5xEBIX8lTgWEt0U&r=ndXpRHR_l6-fSSMwB8IWcqzvwMOOBGvmSxw6OAwOZ-s3pnnxFMOE86VpnVNFZlULn-B6yAq90x-ATA-24WRi7w&m=75WL8MF__ZJH28E9BrvQ_OEe2xDsnZcGWwZxwiKyNMY&s=f2jmNlFmUxGHZsM80z-y-0R0fvRwS0qN9ATRQAhEoiY&e=>

I'd like to congratulate all of those elected, and thank everyone who ran for the ARIN Board, ARIN AC, or the NRO NC.

With this election complete, it's now timely to discuss the matter of campaign emails.  As many of you are aware, ARIN is required to provide the list of organizations that are eligible to vote in each election, and while we do not include email addresses in that list, each year we have several folks up for election who send emails to the electorate asking for their support.

ARIN's stance on this has historically been that those people who receive the emails asking for support are in the best position to weigh the merits of each candidate and their email practices, and thus we do not specifically encourage or prohibit such communications in the election processes.  Similarly, ARIN's terms of use for its ARIN Whois service does not specifically prohibit use of Whois data for election outreach purposes, and it is apparent that some candidates are using ARIN Whois to obtain related email addressed for their campaigning.

It would be good to discuss ARIN's current stance on this issue, in order to inform the ARIN Board in their consideration if any change is warranted.

To the end, please comment on the question:  "Should ARIN's election processes prohibit bulk campaign email  to the electorate, or is the present approach suitable as-is?"

Thanks!
/John

John Curran
President and CEO
American Registry for Internet Numbers

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