[arin-discuss] Term Limit Proposal

Bruce Cornett bcornett at servlet.com
Tue Mar 25 16:21:08 EDT 2014 

I suppose I was too quick to apply my experience with my own region and 
my experience with non-profits to this case.

But there are times when I wish an incumbent would be allowed to stay.  
I even lobbied for such a bill in Ohio once.

But at the same time there are many that simply stayed on too long.

Maybe a solution that meets both needs is to create several classes of 
terms - some for 3 years - some for 6 - each good for a couple of 
reelections. This provides a very long institutional memory for any 
organization.

Bruce C

On 03/25/2014 04:06 PM, Michael Sinatra wrote:
> On 03/25/2014 09:59, John Brown wrote:
>> and when you don't term limit you can trend to stagnation and entrenchment.
> And when you *do* term limit, you can trend to stagnation and entrenchment.
>
> In the city where I live, we have term limits on the mayor, who can only
> serve two four-year terms.  Back in the early 2000s we had a mayor who
> was competent, smart, energetic, and did a lot to help develop the city.
>   Some of his plans weren't without controversy, but they did move the
> city in what most people consider to be a better direction.  The areas
> he targeted for redevelopment have received positive national and even
> international coverage.  But he was termed out after two terms.  The
> next elected mayor was the picture of stagnation and entrenchment.  He
> did _nothing_.  It's not clear he even knew he was the mayor.[1]
> Fortunately, he was too lazy to run for a second term.
>
> Our current mayor is arguably not much better.  She's of questionable
> competence, has been accused of cronyism, and has managed to alienate
> large parts of the city.  My personal view is that she's not horrible,
> but she's not as good as what we had back in the early 2000s.
>
> Applying this thinking to the AC, how do term limits help the situation?
>   The longest-serving AC members are about as independent from industry
> meddling as one can be.  Forcing them out due to term limits would not
> only rob the AC of their knowledge and experience, it would open the
> door to filling their roles with industry-propped candidates.  And the
> big players can easily overcome term limits by simply rotating members
> of their large staffs through as others become termed out, whereas
> smaller players cannot do that.  Those concerned about the undue
> influence of the "big guys" should be very worried about term limits.
>
> Term limits as a concept is certainly interesting and it sounds nice
> until you really start to think it through (or experience its effects).
>   It has a wonderful populist overtone (if you actually like populism)
> but actually takes power away from the people.
>
> Anyway, sorry for the long note.  I am done now.
>
> michael
>
> [1] http://oaklandunseen.tumblr.com/post/34857548712/ron-dellums (yes,
> it's supposed to be a joke, but there's a reason it's actually funny)
>
>> On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 10:48 AM, Jawaid Bazyar
>> <Jawaid.Bazyar at forethought.net <mailto:Jawaid.Bazyar at forethought.net>>
>> wrote:
>>
>>      Democracy is overrated. But term limits are a bad idea.
>>
>>      Paul notes a couple reasons - you lose talent and experience.
>>
>>      I will add another one. When you term limit the people who are
>>      elected, power will shift to the permanent bureaucracy - the aides,
>>      the managers, etc and away from the people who are elected and
>>      accountable to the membership. Power shifting from the elected to
>>      the unelected is the precise opposite of what people hope for from
>>      term limits.
>>
>>
>>      On 03/25/2014 10:33 AM, Paul Timmins wrote:
>>
>>          I have concerns that forcing people out of a position where
>>          people repeatedly vote for them is undemocratic, and can
>>          threaten the stability of the regulatory regime by forcing
>>          people with experience out of a role when their judgement may be
>>          perfectly okay and properly reflect community consensus.
>>
>>          It also can promote inappropriate industry influence by allowing
>>          large players to target roles well in advance knowing a certain
>>          candidate will be out of the election to cause undue influence
>>          on ARIN's policies.
>>
>>          Additionally, the proposal is being floated by someone who has
>>          been on the BOT for 6 years, and thus their judgement may be
>>          clouded because they've been on the BOT too long.
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