From jay at impulse.net Mon Jul 21 14:17:41 2014 From: jay at impulse.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2014 11:17:41 -0700 Subject: [arin-discuss] Multiple POCs and associated cruft - any scalable solution? Message-ID: <53CD5945.5020308@impulse.net> I have an ARIN POC identifier that dates back to when it was an Internic handle. I'm the network guy for a regional ISP in Southern California. Occasionally we need to order a circuit out of region for a customer, and in the process typically a /29 of IPv4 space from another carrier. Invariably, for each and every one of these some automated process of the carrier generates another ARIN POC for me. No amount of cajoling or requests to the carrier (I'm talking about you, AS209) to use the existing one seems to be heard. As a result, every few months I wind up with a dozen or more ARIN POCs, each of which generates annual verification requests, each of which requires me to log in and create a profile, password, etc. This simply doesn't scale. There is no easy way to get these consolidated into my primary POC. Every few months I gather the latest bunch of them and place a phone call to ARIN and they work some behind the scenes magic to get them all consolidated. I'm about to do this yet again, but it is a PITA. What if anything are others doing about this? Just ignoring all of the verification cruft emails doesn't seem to be the right thing to do, and ARIN's web-based forms remind me of the original Adventure game. "You're in a little maze of twisty passages, all different." -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay at impulse.net Impulse Advanced Communications - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From isaac at 4siwi.com Mon Jul 21 15:52:51 2014 From: isaac at 4siwi.com (Isaac Uban) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2014 14:52:51 -0500 Subject: [arin-discuss] Multiple POCs and associated cruft - any scalablesolution? References: <53CD5945.5020308@impulse.net> Message-ID: <3A3751C1AC3649F1BAC0193A2EF94841@4siwi2da1c0d71> I recently had some resources assigned to me and during the justification proccess I had to have several /24s re-assigned to me. It was inevidable that they were all put under different Handles. Annoying to say the least. I'm curious if there isn't a solution to this issue. Thanks, Isaac Uban Network Operations 4SIWI, LLC (618) 997-7494 www.4siwi.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jay Hennigan" To: Sent: Monday, July 21, 2014 1:17 PM Subject: [arin-discuss] Multiple POCs and associated cruft - any scalablesolution? >I have an ARIN POC identifier that dates back to when it was an Internic > handle. I'm the network guy for a regional ISP in Southern California. > > Occasionally we need to order a circuit out of region for a customer, > and in the process typically a /29 of IPv4 space from another carrier. > > Invariably, for each and every one of these some automated process of > the carrier generates another ARIN POC for me. No amount of cajoling or > requests to the carrier (I'm talking about you, AS209) to use the > existing one seems to be heard. > > As a result, every few months I wind up with a dozen or more ARIN POCs, > each of which generates annual verification requests, each of which > requires me to log in and create a profile, password, etc. This simply > doesn't scale. > > There is no easy way to get these consolidated into my primary POC. > Every few months I gather the latest bunch of them and place a phone > call to ARIN and they work some behind the scenes magic to get them all > consolidated. > > I'm about to do this yet again, but it is a PITA. What if anything are > others doing about this? Just ignoring all of the verification cruft > emails doesn't seem to be the right thing to do, and ARIN's web-based > forms remind me of the original Adventure game. "You're in a little > maze of twisty passages, all different." > > > -- > Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay at impulse.net > Impulse Advanced Communications - http://www.impulse.net/ > Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV > _______________________________________________ > ARIN-Discuss > You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to > the ARIN Discussion Mailing List (ARIN-discuss at arin.net). > Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: > http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-discuss > Please contact info at arin.net if you experience any issues. From jcurran at arin.net Mon Jul 21 16:02:10 2014 From: jcurran at arin.net (John Curran) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2014 20:02:10 +0000 Subject: [arin-discuss] Multiple POCs and associated cruft - any scalablesolution? In-Reply-To: <3A3751C1AC3649F1BAC0193A2EF94841@4siwi2da1c0d71> References: <53CD5945.5020308@impulse.net> <3A3751C1AC3649F1BAC0193A2EF94841@4siwi2da1c0d71> Message-ID: <22E1703D-5F3D-4808-BDE0-9DF26E70E574@corp.arin.net> On Jul 21, 2014, at 3:52 PM, Isaac Uban wrote: > I recently had some resources assigned to me and during the justification proccess I had to have several /24s re-assigned to me. It was inevidable that they were all put under different Handles. Annoying to say the least. I'm curious if there isn't a solution to this issue. A user can presently go into ARIN Online and submit an "Ask ARIN" ticket requesting consolidation of their points-of-contact (POCs). Please include a list the POC handles to be consolidated, including which one should be the final one retained and used for all the associated resource records. Staff will confirm the information and update the records accordingly. Thanks! /John John Curran President and CEO ARIN From owen at delong.com Mon Jul 21 16:20:21 2014 From: owen at delong.com (Owen DeLong) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2014 13:20:21 -0700 Subject: [arin-discuss] Multiple POCs and associated cruft - any scalable solution? In-Reply-To: <53CD5945.5020308@impulse.net> References: <53CD5945.5020308@impulse.net> Message-ID: Have you considered not purchasing from vendors that do this to you until the correct it on your behalf? Owen On Jul 21, 2014, at 11:17 , Jay Hennigan wrote: > I have an ARIN POC identifier that dates back to when it was an Internic > handle. I'm the network guy for a regional ISP in Southern California. > > Occasionally we need to order a circuit out of region for a customer, > and in the process typically a /29 of IPv4 space from another carrier. > > Invariably, for each and every one of these some automated process of > the carrier generates another ARIN POC for me. No amount of cajoling or > requests to the carrier (I'm talking about you, AS209) to use the > existing one seems to be heard. > > As a result, every few months I wind up with a dozen or more ARIN POCs, > each of which generates annual verification requests, each of which > requires me to log in and create a profile, password, etc. This simply > doesn't scale. > > There is no easy way to get these consolidated into my primary POC. > Every few months I gather the latest bunch of them and place a phone > call to ARIN and they work some behind the scenes magic to get them all > consolidated. > > I'm about to do this yet again, but it is a PITA. What if anything are > others doing about this? Just ignoring all of the verification cruft > emails doesn't seem to be the right thing to do, and ARIN's web-based > forms remind me of the original Adventure game. "You're in a little > maze of twisty passages, all different." > > > -- > Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay at impulse.net > Impulse Advanced Communications - http://www.impulse.net/ > Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV > _______________________________________________ > ARIN-Discuss > You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to > the ARIN Discussion Mailing List (ARIN-discuss at arin.net). > Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: > http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-discuss > Please contact info at arin.net if you experience any issues. From isaac at 4siwi.com Mon Jul 21 18:54:42 2014 From: isaac at 4siwi.com (Isaac Uban) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2014 17:54:42 -0500 Subject: [arin-discuss] Multiple POCs and associated cruft - anyscalable solution? References: <53CD5945.5020308@impulse.net> Message-ID: <392B5FD0F6B04D02B3FFE7D63EEB05A3@4siwi2da1c0d71> Are we talking about ORG-IDs? That is what I'm having a problem with. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Owen DeLong" To: "Jay Hennigan" Cc: Sent: Monday, July 21, 2014 3:20 PM Subject: Re: [arin-discuss] Multiple POCs and associated cruft - anyscalable solution? > Have you considered not purchasing from vendors that do this to you > until the correct it on your behalf? > > Owen > > On Jul 21, 2014, at 11:17 , Jay Hennigan wrote: > >> I have an ARIN POC identifier that dates back to when it was an Internic >> handle. I'm the network guy for a regional ISP in Southern California. >> >> Occasionally we need to order a circuit out of region for a customer, >> and in the process typically a /29 of IPv4 space from another carrier. >> >> Invariably, for each and every one of these some automated process of >> the carrier generates another ARIN POC for me. No amount of cajoling or >> requests to the carrier (I'm talking about you, AS209) to use the >> existing one seems to be heard. >> >> As a result, every few months I wind up with a dozen or more ARIN POCs, >> each of which generates annual verification requests, each of which >> requires me to log in and create a profile, password, etc. This simply >> doesn't scale. >> >> There is no easy way to get these consolidated into my primary POC. >> Every few months I gather the latest bunch of them and place a phone >> call to ARIN and they work some behind the scenes magic to get them all >> consolidated. >> >> I'm about to do this yet again, but it is a PITA. What if anything are >> others doing about this? Just ignoring all of the verification cruft >> emails doesn't seem to be the right thing to do, and ARIN's web-based >> forms remind me of the original Adventure game. "You're in a little >> maze of twisty passages, all different." >> >> >> -- >> Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay at impulse.net >> Impulse Advanced Communications - http://www.impulse.net/ >> Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV >> _______________________________________________ >> ARIN-Discuss >> You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to >> the ARIN Discussion Mailing List (ARIN-discuss at arin.net). >> Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: >> http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-discuss >> Please contact info at arin.net if you experience any issues. > > _______________________________________________ > ARIN-Discuss > You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to > the ARIN Discussion Mailing List (ARIN-discuss at arin.net). > Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: > http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-discuss > Please contact info at arin.net if you experience any issues. From jay at impulse.net Wed Jul 23 20:54:38 2014 From: jay at impulse.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2014 17:54:38 -0700 Subject: [arin-discuss] Multiple POCs and associated cruft - any scalable solution? In-Reply-To: References: <53CD5945.5020308@impulse.net> Message-ID: <53D0594E.90903@impulse.net> On 7/21/14 1:20 PM, Owen DeLong wrote: > Have you considered not purchasing from vendors that do this to you > until the correct it on your behalf? Yes, but it's always a question of which carrier sucks the least. In terms of suckiness, this kind of thing is annoying but liveable. This carrier sucks more in terms of administrative cruft and less in actual network delivery than some of the other choices. I suspect it is some automated process on both their and ARIN's behalf and no humans are involved on either side. A popup saying "We show an existing POC with the same name and email, POC ID XXXXX, would you like to choose that one?" would be nice, but I think it's a case of battling scripted processes and the logical escalation response would be to just configure a "NO" answer to avoid involving wetware. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay at impulse.net Impulse Advanced Communications - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV