[arin-discuss] ipv6 fees in new fee structure

[Andrew Lindh]

It's not too late for the IPv6 BGP table. It's still small.

There are some choices. One is a customer splits a /32 into 16 /36 networks
and keeps one. ARIN does not assign the new /36 networks and the BGP
table does not grow. If that customer needs more space later then a
a larger block can be assigned from that space since there is room.

Or... ARIN will assign the newly free /36 networks to new customers
just as they would from another open range. The BGP table will grow
anyway.

I hope that customers have some idea of how much IPv6 space they need
so lots of additional blocks are not assigned to a single customer.
It's clear that some places need a /36 but were only able to get a /32,
so now they need to split it for good reason.

ARIN fees should allow customers to afford enough space so they do not
need new allocations for a long time, if ever.

IPv6 BGP tables now have over 10K routes. That will continue to grow
as more places use IPv6. It's up to ARIN to make reasonable assignments
so the table is not fragmented (too much) and become bloated like IPv4
which is over 430K routes now.

-- 
   Andrew Lindh
  andrew at netplex.net
NETPLEX 860-233-1111



Quoting Alec Ginsberg <alec at ionity.com>:

> I'd like to echo this point.
>
>>> Sorry IPv6 BGP table, policy got in the way again!
>
> We already have enough table bloat with the fragmentation of IPv4.
>
> This is horrible that we have to make it worse, especially right now  
> when it could be done the right way going into it.
>
> ________________________________________
> From: arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net [arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net]  
> On Behalf Of Owen DeLong [owen at delong.com]
> Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2013 5:28 PM
> To: Joseph Conti
> Cc: arin-discuss at arin.net
> Subject: Re: [arin-discuss] ipv6 fees in new fee structure
>
> I will point out that these are fees, not policy. The AC has no role  
> in fees and they are set by fiat of the board rather than through  
> the public policy process.
>
> I am not thrilled with the new fee structure, either, especially  
> since it does an end-run on expectations created in the early days  
> of the LRSA.
>
> Owen
>
> On Mar 7, 2013, at 11:14 AM, Joseph Conti  
> <joseph at media-hosts.com<mailto:joseph at media-hosts.com>> wrote:
>
> As long as organisations have the option of re-numbering the  
> financial incentive on ARIN's side of the table would just result in  
> inconveniencing smaller organisations. The ones who want to save  
> money and have an easy opportunity to re-number now, will do so.
>
> 4,096 /48's in a /36 is still a lot of space. If/when we fill that  
> properly, we can just get another /36 at that point and save money  
> between now and then.
>
> Sorry IPv6 BGP table, policy got in the way again!
>
> Joseph
>
> On 13-03-07 01:47 PM, Ian McLaughlin wrote:
>
> On 2013-03-07, at 10:43 AM, Alex Krohn  
> <alex-arin at gossamer-threads.com><mailto:alex-arin at gossamer-threads.com>  
> wrote:
>
>
>
> it seems like 234 members who have x-small v4 and small v6 are faced
> with being charged under small when they (probably) would have been just
> as happy if their initial allocation was a /36 and thus stayed in
> x-small.
>
>
> Looked at another way, this is an additional $234K in revenue per  
> year for ARIN per year.  Not insignificant. (Yes, we're one of the  
> affected early-adopters.)
>
> Ian McLaughlin
> Director of Technology
> Dargal Interline Worldwide
> 250-979-1161
>
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