[arin-discuss] ipv6 fees in new fee structure

[G. Nicholas]

John,

I see that you are listed as a keynote speaker at the upcoming WISPA conference in April.  There will be hundreds of small ISPs in the audience that are concerned about issues like this with the new fee structure.

Also, one related question is: Will the new fee structure be pro-rated on your renewal billing?   For example our bill is due in June, but the new fee struture is effective July 1.   So will we have to pay the higher rate for another additional year? or will we be charged 1 month June at the old rate and then 11 months at the new rate?


Thanks
Garth
New Wave Net Corp

----- Original Message -----
From: Mike A. Salim
Sent: 3/7/2013 12:35:06 PM
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Subject: Re: [arin-discuss] ipv6 fees in new fee structure

> I agree.  I had also commented on the earlier thread with the same comment.  We are in the same boat.  We did not insist on a /32, we were given a /32 because that was the smallest allocation at the time.  While I do not expect to be rewarded financially for being an early adopter, I do not expect to be penalized either.
> 
> Renumbering is not a simple option for us.  We have live customers using IPv6 with stringent and time consuming change control processes.  It is a major ordeal to make IP address changes for us.
> 
> Best regards
> Mike
> 
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> From: arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net [mailto:arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net] On Behalf Of Robert L Mathews
> Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2013 1:27 PM
> To: arin-discuss at arin.net
> Subject: Re: [arin-discuss] ipv6 fees in new fee structure
> 
> On 2/22/13 3:47 PM, Alex Krohn wrote:
> 
> > In the new pending fee structure here:
> > 
> >     https://www.arin.net/fees/pending_fee_schedule.html#isps
> > 
> > ISP's that have up to and including a /20 (X-Small) and who were "early"
> > adopters and received a /32 IPv6 allocation which was the minimum 
> > allocation size at the time, will see their fees double.
> > 
> > This was discussed on the lists a lot in the past in this thread:
> > 
> >     
> > http://lists.arin.net/pipermail/arin-discuss/2012-March/002112.html
> > 
> > and a lot of opposition against seeing the rates double or being 
> > forced to get a /36 and re-number.
> > 
> > What was the rational with going forward with this and not making a 
> > /32 be in the X-Small (or XX-Small I suppose), as that was the minimum 
> > size available for a lot of people?
> 
> I'm in the same situation. We were allocated a /32 in early 2011 because that was the smallest allocation available under NRPM 2011.2 at the time. If a /36 had been available, it would certainly have met our needs forever.
> 
> Since we only have (and probably only ever will have) /21 of total IPv4 space, the /32 from the IPv6 pushes us from "X-Small" to "Small" and doubles the fees from $1,000 a year to $2,000 a year.
> 
> I asked ARIN's billing department last week if there was any solution for this, since John Curran's comments, referenced above and here:
> 
>  http://lists.arin.net/pipermail/arin-consult/2012-November/000446.html
> 
> ... had seemed encouraging. But the reply was that the only way to return to X-Small status is to apply for a new /36, then renumber out of the /32 within 3 months and return it.
> 
> Although it'll take at least a couple of days of my time to renumber, I'll probably do so. It'll save us thousands (tens of thousands?) of dollars in the long run.
> 
> But this outcome seems perverse. If we'd waited two years to implement IPv6, we'd be charged $1,000 less a year by default. Because we didn't, we have to renumber into a smaller block to save that money -- not because renumbering provides any benefit to anyone, but because of a historical policy quirk.
> 
> I suppose one could argue that we're being charged no more than the eventual post-fee-waiver rate listed when we were allocated the /32 in 2011. That's true, but it doesn't lessen the frustration that other organizations in the X-Small IPv4 category who now apply for the same thing -- "the smallest available IPv6 allocation" -- pay half what we'll pay if we don't renumber.
> 
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> Robert L Mathews, Tiger Technologies
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