[arin-discuss] To List Members ARIN Consultation: Changing the VoterEligibility for ARIN Member Organizations

Thu Jan 17 11:59:36 EST 2013

On Thu, 17 Jan 2013 08:27:16 -0800
  "Bob Evans" <bob at FiberInternetCenter.com> wrote:
> 
> An elaboration on my 2 cents when this thread began.
> 
> Don't change it. It adds an additional complexity to software, staffing,
> new dilemmas develop etc. Can also lead to billing confusion when it
> becomes an enabled excuse to delay collection of fees. If the "thinking"
> is the staff and software structure can handle such a change without any
> future staff duties/changes/additions give it 24 months - in my experience
> such a change always adds new costs. Customers/Members will never
> perform/follow rules/etc as you expect. Answering the phone more often
> will definitely be one of the new costs.
> 
> bob evans

Agreed the unanticipated consequence is always out there somewhere.

I would add that there is an assumption that larger vote
percentages are better. I don't necessarily agree. When one chooses not
to vote it can be because he/she trusts the community consensus more than
he/she trusts his/her own judgment at that time. In my way of thinking that
is a proxy to the community and a vote.

> 
>> [arin-discuss] ARIN Consultation: Changing the Voter Eligibility for ARIN
>> Member OrganizationsHello All,
>>
>>
>> Some simple thoughts relative to ARIN's request for comment.
>>
>> Subject: [arin-announce] ARIN Consultation: Changing the Voter Eligibility
>> for ARIN Member Organizations
>>
>>
>>
>> I offer only food for thought-- no great solutions and no big complaints.
>>
>>
>>
>> I have followed this thread and read wide ranges of suggestions from
>> assigning DMR to alternate POC's such as tech, admin, and whatever;
>> primary
>> & secondary POC, anonymous  POC's (that I think could cause confusion if a
>> Tech or Admin POC were to be come anonymous for the purpose of DMR)
>>
>>
>>
>> But-- keep in mind that some employees have a personal POC that they will
>> keep if they move to another job !
>>
>>
>>
>> There are other troublesome potentials to plentiful that I might read
>> inaccurate or unfounded problems into, so I won't even try to describe
>> things like DMR-Brokering for profit.  We're not voting for President of
>> USA.
>>
>>
>>
>> My personal opinion is to Keep a DMR.  It probably wouldn't be terrible if
>> the member selected an existing POC to be the DMR, but who the  DMR is
>> should still stay unpublished. Keep in mind that employees often have a
>> personal POC, and many companies do not stay on top of their
>> administrative
>> stuff, especially these days.
>>
>>
>>
>> You could add the space for a secondary DMR id the eligible voter chose to
>> fill in the entry.
>>
>>
>>
>> A secondary DMR could only vote if the primary DMR did not. (maybe he /she
>> was in the hospital or something); but a primary DMR would always override
>> a
>> secondary DMR.
>>
>>
>>
>> Validation of the DMR ? Perhaps that could be done by emailing (or better
>> yet) making the voting ORG download (from the ORG's Login Management
>> Account) a zipped/encrypted hash or checksum that he/she must include with
>> the cast of their vote, so ARIN knows it is a valid authorization
>> generated
>> by the ORG itself and not a former employee who still has a personal POC
>> listed as a DMR.
>>
>>
>>
>> Many companies are busy doing sales, marketing, programming and don't have
>> the time to keep totally informed with the candidates' views on various
>> issues. Such a voting ORG would likely choose an outside DMR who shares
>> their same beliefs and viewpoints on industry issues. Therefore, I can
>> understand an argument in favor of a proxy-type or outside DMR vote to be
>> allowed, as long as the vote was cast with the validation zipped hash to
>> validate the DMR is real.  Hashes, keys, are utilized for email swip
>> forms,
>> so perhaps a slightly stronger one could be generated by the owner of the
>> ORG and supplied to the pre-registered DMR? He/she could then even utilize
>> a
>> G-mail, Hotmail or other similar email account in the event there was a
>> widespread outage an outage from a tornado, hurricane, solar flare, etc.
>> That might even be a good reason to have a secondary DMR.
>>
>>
>>
>> As I said, I only offer some food for thought.
>>
>>
>>
>> Cutting this short, I hope I have added something of value to this
>> conversation.
>>
>>
>>
>> ~Drake Pallister
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "ARIN" <info at arin.net>
>> To: <arin-announce at arin.net>
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2013 11:07 AM
>> Subject: [arin-announce] ARIN Consultation: Changing the Voter Eligibility
>> for ARIN Member Organizations
>>
>>
>>> ARIN is seeking feedback from its membership about changing voting
>>> eligibility so that any ARIN web account linked to an Admin and/or Tech
>>> POC of a Member organization may cast the ballot for the organization's
>>> one vote in ARIN elections. This change would replace the Designated
>>> Member Representative (DMR) role in the ARIN elections and allow
>>> organizations to have more that one eligible voter.  There is no change
>>> to the one vote per Organization ID rule.
>>> We are suggesting this change in order to increase participation in ARIN
>>> elections. This change would:
>>>
>>>     * Allow organizations to have more than one eligible voter, thereby
>>> increasing the chances that someone would be available to cast a ballot
>>>
>>>     *  Eliminate the need for Members to create and update the DMR POC
>>> with its specialized email requirements
>>>
>>>      Note: The benefit of allowing more than one individual the ability
>>> to cast the organization's one vote may in some cases require internal
>>> coordination to determine who will cast the vote. If a second individual
>>> attempts to vote, they will receive notification that their organization
>>> has already voted and they will not be able to cast a ballot.
>>>
>>> ARIN is seeking input from the community regarding this potential
>>> change, including whether it would be beneficial and if made, whether
>>> voting eligibility should be provided to Admin POCs or Admin and Tech
>>> POCs.
>>> You can read background on ARIN's existing processes of DMRs at:
>>>
>>> https://www.arin.net/about_us/membership/dmr.html
>>>
>>> You can read about ARIN's current Board and Advisory Council Election
>>> voting process at:
>>>
>>> https://www.arin.net/participate/elections/elec_procedures.html#voting
>>>
>>> Relevant Statistics:
>>>
>>>      89% of ARIN Members currently have a web account linked to either
>>> their Admin or Tech POC handle.
>>>
>>>      85%  of ARIN Members currently have a web account linked to their
>>> Admin POC handle.
>>>
>>>      In the 2012 elections 87% of Member organizations had a DMR that
>>> was eligible to vote.
>>>
>>> Please provide comments to arin-discuss at arin.net.
>>> Representatives from member organizations may subscribe to this list at:
>>>
>>> http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-discuss
>>>
>>> Discussion will close on 12 February 2013. ARIN seeks clear direction
>>> from its members, so your feedback is important. If you have any
>>> questions, please contact us at info at arin.net.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Communications and Member Services
>>> American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN)
>>>
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> Bob Evans
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