[arin-discuss] To List Members ARIN Consultation: Changing the VoterEligibility for ARIN Member Organizations

Thu Jan 17 11:31:06 EST 2013

Definitely agree with you on this Bob. 
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From: "Bob Evans" <bob at FiberInternetCenter.com>
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Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 08:27:16 
To: Drake Pallister<drake.pallister at duraserver.com>
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Cc: <arin-discuss at arin.net>
Subject: Re: [arin-discuss] To List Members ARIN Consultation: Changing the
 VoterEligibility for ARIN Member Organizations

An elaboration on my 2 cents when this thread began.

Don't change it. It adds an additional complexity to software, staffing,
new dilemmas develop etc. Can also lead to billing confusion when it
becomes an enabled excuse to delay collection of fees. If the "thinking"
is the staff and software structure can handle such a change without any
future staff duties/changes/additions give it 24 months - in my experience
such a change always adds new costs. Customers/Members will never
perform/follow rules/etc as you expect. Answering the phone more often
will definitely be one of the new costs.

bob evans

> [arin-discuss] ARIN Consultation: Changing the Voter Eligibility for ARIN
> Member OrganizationsHello All,
>
>
> Some simple thoughts relative to ARIN's request for comment.
>
> Subject: [arin-announce] ARIN Consultation: Changing the Voter Eligibility
> for ARIN Member Organizations
>
>
>
> I offer only food for thought-- no great solutions and no big complaints.
>
>
>
> I have followed this thread and read wide ranges of suggestions from
> assigning DMR to alternate POC's such as tech, admin, and whatever;
> primary
> & secondary POC, anonymous  POC's (that I think could cause confusion if a
> Tech or Admin POC were to be come anonymous for the purpose of DMR)
>
>
>
> But-- keep in mind that some employees have a personal POC that they will
> keep if they move to another job !
>
>
>
> There are other troublesome potentials to plentiful that I might read
> inaccurate or unfounded problems into, so I won't even try to describe
> things like DMR-Brokering for profit.  We're not voting for President of
> USA.
>
>
>
> My personal opinion is to Keep a DMR.  It probably wouldn't be terrible if
> the member selected an existing POC to be the DMR, but who the  DMR is
> should still stay unpublished. Keep in mind that employees often have a
> personal POC, and many companies do not stay on top of their
> administrative
> stuff, especially these days.
>
>
>
> You could add the space for a secondary DMR id the eligible voter chose to
> fill in the entry.
>
>
>
> A secondary DMR could only vote if the primary DMR did not. (maybe he /she
> was in the hospital or something); but a primary DMR would always override
> a
> secondary DMR.
>
>
>
> Validation of the DMR ? Perhaps that could be done by emailing (or better
> yet) making the voting ORG download (from the ORG's Login Management
> Account) a zipped/encrypted hash or checksum that he/she must include with
> the cast of their vote, so ARIN knows it is a valid authorization
> generated
> by the ORG itself and not a former employee who still has a personal POC
> listed as a DMR.
>
>
>
> Many companies are busy doing sales, marketing, programming and don't have
> the time to keep totally informed with the candidates' views on various
> issues. Such a voting ORG would likely choose an outside DMR who shares
> their same beliefs and viewpoints on industry issues. Therefore, I can
> understand an argument in favor of a proxy-type or outside DMR vote to be
> allowed, as long as the vote was cast with the validation zipped hash to
> validate the DMR is real.  Hashes, keys, are utilized for email swip
> forms,
> so perhaps a slightly stronger one could be generated by the owner of the
> ORG and supplied to the pre-registered DMR? He/she could then even utilize
> a
> G-mail, Hotmail or other similar email account in the event there was a
> widespread outage an outage from a tornado, hurricane, solar flare, etc.
> That might even be a good reason to have a secondary DMR.
>
>
>
> As I said, I only offer some food for thought.
>
>
>
> Cutting this short, I hope I have added something of value to this
> conversation.
>
>
>
> ~Drake Pallister
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "ARIN" <info at arin.net>
> To: <arin-announce at arin.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2013 11:07 AM
> Subject: [arin-announce] ARIN Consultation: Changing the Voter Eligibility
> for ARIN Member Organizations
>
>
>> ARIN is seeking feedback from its membership about changing voting
>> eligibility so that any ARIN web account linked to an Admin and/or Tech
>> POC of a Member organization may cast the ballot for the organization's
>> one vote in ARIN elections. This change would replace the Designated
>> Member Representative (DMR) role in the ARIN elections and allow
>> organizations to have more that one eligible voter.  There is no change
>> to the one vote per Organization ID rule.
>> We are suggesting this change in order to increase participation in ARIN
>> elections. This change would:
>>
>>     * Allow organizations to have more than one eligible voter, thereby
>> increasing the chances that someone would be available to cast a ballot
>>
>>     *  Eliminate the need for Members to create and update the DMR POC
>> with its specialized email requirements
>>
>>      Note: The benefit of allowing more than one individual the ability
>> to cast the organization's one vote may in some cases require internal
>> coordination to determine who will cast the vote. If a second individual
>> attempts to vote, they will receive notification that their organization
>> has already voted and they will not be able to cast a ballot.
>>
>> ARIN is seeking input from the community regarding this potential
>> change, including whether it would be beneficial and if made, whether
>> voting eligibility should be provided to Admin POCs or Admin and Tech
>> POCs.
>> You can read background on ARIN's existing processes of DMRs at:
>>
>> https://www.arin.net/about_us/membership/dmr.html
>>
>> You can read about ARIN's current Board and Advisory Council Election
>> voting process at:
>>
>> https://www.arin.net/participate/elections/elec_procedures.html#voting
>>
>> Relevant Statistics:
>>
>>      89% of ARIN Members currently have a web account linked to either
>> their Admin or Tech POC handle.
>>
>>      85%  of ARIN Members currently have a web account linked to their
>> Admin POC handle.
>>
>>      In the 2012 elections 87% of Member organizations had a DMR that
>> was eligible to vote.
>>
>> Please provide comments to arin-discuss at arin.net.
>> Representatives from member organizations may subscribe to this list at:
>>
>> http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-discuss
>>
>> Discussion will close on 12 February 2013. ARIN seeks clear direction
>> from its members, so your feedback is important. If you have any
>> questions, please contact us at info at arin.net.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Communications and Member Services
>> American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN)
>>
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