[arin-discuss] ARIN Consultation: Changing the Voter Eligibility for ARIN Member Organizations

[Jesse D. Geddis]

Your whole position is based on the assumption everyone voting for others would act in good faith. I think that's an absurd assumption given the reward for voting yourself onto a given board on the backs of your customers. It makes that far too easy and I haven't seen any argument to warrant creating such a blatant environment for fraud. 

Jesse Geddis
LA Broadband LLC

On Jan 15, 2013, at 3:10 PM, "Matthew Wilder" <Matthew.Wilder at telus.com> wrote:

> Being myself a DMR and generally a representative of a large ISP, I beg to differ.  The system we operate in is much more inclined to represent the large number of small entities than the small number of large entities.  Like the ITU (the same body which many ARIN and NANOG folks are petitioning Obama to remove funding from) the vote per entity model actually favors the little guys.  
> 
> In the case of those interested in the success of the Internet, that works well IMO, but clearly as the ITU has shown, it is very, very bad in the case where those entities care not for the good of the internet.
> 
> So I don't see this giving too much power to the big ISPs necessarily, but potentially too much power to a few individuals, no matter whose interests they represent, provided they get a lot of OrgID's delegating voting power to them.  Now I am curious if there are stats that can show how many DMRs represent multiple OrgIDs, and how many of the 10% participation are unique voters.  May be difficult if that one individual has multiple email addresses they are using, etc.
> 
> Matthew
> 
> On  Jan 15, 2013, at 1:08 PM, "Jesse D. Geddis" <jesse at la-broadband.com> wrote:
> 
>> I don't think this is a good idea because it would further skew the boards way to heavily to a couple organisations. It's bad enough and I can foresee service providers asking their customers for their voting rights to gain even more disproportionate influence over resource policy in their favour. It's a power grab...
>> 
>> Jesse Geddis
>> LA Broadband LLC
>> 
>> On Jan 15, 2013, at 1:04 PM, "Owen DeLong" <owen at delong.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> An organization can already designate a DMR outside of the organization.
>>> 
>>> 1.    Add sad DMR's POC handle as a listed contact.
>>> 2.    Designate said POC as your DMR.
>>> 
>>> What would be new/novel is the potential to do this on a per-election basis (which I would support).
>>> 
>>> I think it would also be useful to create a new contact category for consultants/advisors/DMR-only type roles where said POC is not > visible in whois, but has access rights granted by the organization to do one or more of:
>>>   [ ] request resources
>>>   [ ] update resource information
>>>   [ ] update ORG information
>>>   [ ] manage POCs related to ORG
>>>   [ ] manage resource POCs
>>>   [ ] act as DMR (permanent)
>>>   [ ] act as DMR (in the next election)
>>> 
>>> Owen
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> 
>>> On Jan 15, 2013, at 10:48 AM, Bob Antia <bantia at ArrowstreetCapital.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I agree, why not let an organization delegate a DMR.
>>>> 
>>>> -B
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net 
>>>> [mailto:arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net] On Behalf Of John Osmon
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2013 3:39 PM
>>>> To: DOWELL, JERRY (CTR)
>>>> Cc: arin-discuss at arin.net
>>>> Subject: Re: [arin-discuss] ARIN Consultation: Changing the Voter 
>>>> Eligibility for ARIN Member Organizations
>>>> 
>>>> On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 07:50:17PM +0000, DOWELL, JERRY (CTR) wrote:
>>>>> Why not provide for the admin/dmr for the organization proxy a other 
>>>>> person within his/her organization to vote for them on a specific 
>>>>> election?
>>>> 
>>>> Why stop there?  Why not allow people outside of their organization to hold that proxy?
>>>> 
>>>> I'm willing to act as DMR for any organization that wants to delegate such to me...
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