[arin-discuss] Implementing IPv6

Mike A. Salim msalim at localweb.com
Wed Feb 27 16:26:30 EST 2013 

Bob,

I have to concur with your statement "- this manufacturer IPv6 ready label is almost meaningless. Much of what's available for networks is over priced and newly buggy.".  We are currently dealing with an IPv6 issue with our "IPv6 enabled load balancers" (I won't say which manufacturer).  Their equipment is stellar in other respects but It does not do IPv6 properly yet, which is forcing us to leave a proxy and a tunnel in place till this is fixed.

Mike

A. Michael Salim
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-----Original Message-----
From: arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net [mailto:arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net] On Behalf Of Bob Evans
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 4:09 PM
To: arin-discuss at arin.net
Subject: Re: [arin-discuss] Implementing IPv6


The curiosity was there from customers. So our company built a native IPv6 network that is multi-homed. No tunneling - customer gets an easy to use
ipv6 port together with their ipv4 port on the cpe gear we provide. Can't get much more simple than that.  To date, only 2 customers out of many hundreds of fiber customers actually used the ipv6 space we assigned them.
Those had need was for accessing European offices , one of the first places for the sky to fall. I have actually had IT heads ask us not to tell anyone in the company they can have ipv6 today.

So what's wrong with this picture?

The gear for Customers just isn't up to par. We have tested so many devices. Most of what's available has limited functionality - this manufacturer IPv6 ready label is almost meaningless. Much of what's available for networks is over priced and newly buggy.

It's not so much the customer base or the networks or the manufacturers, it's all of them together. It's like a the fat nurse telling a fat patient to exercise more and eat less. People are lazy, they wait until they have a breathing problem to follow advice. So until there is a poor breathing episode , IPv4 is here for some time. Probably another 5-7 years.

The ipv4 oxygen tank on wheels is NAT44. I know Europeans are implementing this on big networks. They reuse the ip addresses and leverage logical port bits. So the sky falling now has even more of a big delay factor.

bob evans

> Its going to be a bit of a mess if folks wait for the sky to fall 
> before planning and executing their v6 migration.
>
> Also if more folks would get it done then the transition and 
> translation costs for those coming in after v4 is gone will be lower.
>
> There is and had been every reason to expedite, so, nothing that's 
> happened so far should be thought of as crying wolf.
>
> Paul
>
> "Mike A. Salim" <msalim at localweb.com> wrote:
>
>>Is IPv4 space "really" running out any time soon?  Since "wolf" was 
>>cried almost two years ago and the sky didn't fall yet, I do not see 
>>an immediate mass rush to IPv6 coming yet.
>>
>>As for simple / stupid checklists, these abound.
>>
>>I googled for IPv6 checklists and found:
>>
>>http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc786337(v=ws.10).aspx
>>
>>http://www.es.net/services/ipv6-network/ipv6-implementation-checklist/
>>
>>http://www.infoworld.com/d/data-explosion/your-handy-ipv6-checklist-23
>>2
>>
>>There is probably no "one size fits all" checklist.  For example, how 
>>much practical attention is being paid to IPv6 security at this point?
>>Zero to none as far as I can tell.  I am having a hard time finding 
>>any commercial or open source IPv6 monitoring tools that will just 
>>tell me if my http is alive over IPv6, let alone IPv6 specific security tools.
>>
>>Mike
>>
>>A. Michael Salim
>>VP and Chief Technology Officer,
>>American Data Technology, Inc.
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>>From: arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net
>>[mailto:arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net] On Behalf Of Jawaid Bazyar
>>Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 12:03 PM
>>To: arin-discuss at arin.net
>>Subject: Re: [arin-discuss] Implementing IPv6
>>
>>What is really needed is simple cookbooks for ISPs and business 
>>networks
>>- step by step checklist of everything you need to do to fully enable 
>>and support IPv6.
>>
>>We have implemented IPv6 and successfully tested it directly. What we 
>>don't have is clear methodology around IPv4 to v6 gateways and 
>>vice-versa.
>>
>>Make it stupid easy to implement and it will get done.
>>
>>On 02/27/2013 09:40 AM, Tim St. Pierre wrote:
>>> So how do we make it "The end of the Freakin' IPv4 World" so people 
>>> will actually do this already.
>>>
>>> I talk to access ISPs about it all the time, and the usual response
>>is
>>> "well, we're working on it, but it's years away. It isn't really a 
>>> priority right now." I think if we set a deadline, like "World Turn 
>>> off IPv4 day", then we will actually see some traction.
>>>
>>> -Tim
>>>
>>> On 13-02-27 10:52 AM, Adrian Goins wrote:
>>>> I was sucked into the Cogent/HE problems during World IPv6 day v1
>>and
>>>> v2. It ultimately affected one of my clients deciding to keep IPv6
>>up
>>>> for their infrastructure - they saw that split in reachability as
>>bad
>>>> for their customers, since customers using HE as a tunnel broker 
>>>> would think that the client was the problem, not peering. For most 
>>>> users of the Internet discussions about peering have no value.
>>>>
>>>> I agree with the statement about multihoming being the solution. If 
>>>> you can't afford to multihome, see about getting your connectivity 
>>>> from a provider who _is_ multihomed. It puts you a couple hops away 
>>>> from the backbone, but it may be worth it to route around this
>>issue.
>>>> You might even be able to find someone in your datacenter who can 
>>>> throw a cross-connect to your cage and push you out to L3 or ATT or 
>>>> someone other than Cogent.
>>>>
>>>> We're up with IPv6 transit from Cogent and L3, using our own /32. I 
>>>> have the opportunity to get transit directly from HE, and I'm 
>>>> considering doing so as well. I think that the whole squabble is 
>>>> bad
>>
>>>> for the Internet and terrible for IPv6 adoption as a whole, but 
>>>> it's
>>
>>>> almost worth it for me to pay for the extra handoff to not be drawn 
>>>> into it any more than I have to be.
>>>>
>>>> What I'm waiting for is IPv6 to the real end users. If TWC or
>>Comcast
>>>> or Vz would reliably roll out IPv6 across their customer networks,
>>it
>>>> would make life much easier. One of our providers at our EU office 
>>>> was kind enough to enable IPv6 on our wireless link, but when I
>>asked
>>>> them about giving me a /64 or /48, they were stupefied. It hadn't 
>>>> occurred to them that we actually need to have an IP block in order 
>>>> to make use of it.
>>>>
>>>> I think we're still a long way off from where we should be for 
>>>> awareness and adoption, and, like most things business humans do, 
>>>> until it's actually the end of the freakin' IPv4 world, no one is 
>>>> going to make a move.
>>>>
>>>> Adrian Goins
>>>> agoins at arces.net <mailto:agoins at arces.net>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Feb 22, 2013, at 3:37 PM, Kerry L. Kriegel
>><kkriegel at cyberlynk.net
>>>> <mailto:kkriegel at cyberlynk.net>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> We only broadcast our data center /32. Cogent is the only provider 
>>>>> we have doing IPv6 at the moment.
>>>>> AT&T says they do it, but getting it implemented across our 
>>>>> peering
>>
>>>>> link has been in process for several months.
>>>>> TWTC has the request, and may be online within the week.
>>>>> TWC -- no way.
>>>>> Cogent – online.
>>>>> Level3 – online in about 45 days.
>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>> *Kerry L. Kriegel*
>>>>> Network Operations Engineer
>>>>> Cyberlynk Network, Inc.
>>>>> Office: 414-858-9335
>>>>> Fax: 414-858-9336
>>>>> *From:*Michael Wallace [mailto:michael at birdhosting.com 
>>>>> <http://birdhosting.com>] *Sent:*Friday, February 22, 2013 10:53 
>>>>> AM
>>
>>>>> *To:*Kerry L. Kriegel; arin-discuss at arin.net 
>>>>> <mailto:arin-discuss at arin.net>
>>>>> *Subject:*re: [arin-discuss] Implementing IPv6
>>>>>
>>>>> There are plenty of providers out there that do IPv6. We are 
>>>>> currently terminating to a bunch of them. Abovenet, Level3, HE, 
>>>>> etc
>>
>>>>> etc. Are you broadcasting the BGP for these?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>> Michael Wallace
>>>>> Bird Hosting
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>--------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>> ----
>>>>>
>>>>> *From*: "Kerry L. Kriegel" <kkriegel at cyberlynk.net 
>>>>> <mailto:kkriegel at cyberlynk.net>>
>>>>> *Sent*: Friday, February 22, 2013 8:48 AM
>>*To*:arin-discuss at arin.net
>>>>> <mailto:arin-discuss at arin.net>
>>>>> *Subject*: [arin-discuss] Implementing IPv6
>>>>>
>>>>> We received our /32 IPv6 block from ARIN awhile back but before we 
>>>>> could do anything with it we needed to do some hardware / IOS 
>>>>> upgrades on our backbone. We got enough of that finished last week 
>>>>> that we decided to “roll out” IPv6 and see how things looked.
>>>>> After a couple days of trouble shooting why none of the engineers
>>in
>>>>> our data center could reach their Hurricane Electric Tunnel
>>networks
>>>>> at home (and vice versa), I stopped looking at our backbone and 
>>>>> started looking at Google.
>>>>> It appears that the squabble started in 2009 between Cogent and HE 
>>>>> is still in progress. I was wondering if anyone on this list had
>>any
>>>>> “inside” information about the problem and whether or not 
>>>>> there was
>>
>>>>> an end in sight. It seems to me that having a disconnect between
>>two
>>>>> major players is going to hinder IPv6 adaptation.
>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>> *Kerry L. Kriegel*
>>>>> Network Operations Engineer
>>>>> Cyberlynk Network, Inc.
>>>>> Office: 414-858-9335
>>>>> Fax: 414-858-9336
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