[arin-discuss] Encouraging IPv6 Transition (From PPML)

Tue May 15 07:49:52 EDT 2012

> AT&T is still not doing it for Dsl or vdsl. 

That is not my understanding.
http://www.att.com/esupport/article.jsp?sid=KB409112&cv=801,902&title=What+is+IPv6+and+how+will+it+affect+me%3F#fbid=0Cm9JPhO4kk

I know that they have some IPv6 residences.

With IPv6 Launch, participating ISPs have agreed to turn IPv6 on by default.  They aren't stopping at 1% (and have to have very large deployments to even get to 1%).  The only things stopping large ISPs from 100% deployment are time (not enough bodies during maint windows, don't want to change everything all at once), and money (specifically, the cost to replace modems and gateways that will never support IPv6).  I haven't heard anything official from Verizon, but other large ISPs are moving.
Oh, and as Cameron pointed out, mobile providers are moving, too.  T-Mobile is way ahead in IPv6 deployment, but still needs more handsets.  The others need less buggy LTE, which should be RSN.

Content is moving.  Several hosting companies enabled IPv6 for all of their hosted domains last year for World IPv6 Day.  The major CDNs are able to host content over IPv6 now.  In addition to IPv6 Launch, there are some sites showing a significant number of websites available over IPv6, such as http://eggert.org/meter/ipv6.html
and http://www.vyncke.org/ipv6status/
(check again in a month to see how they've changed).

The slow part now is home electronics.  IPv4 is required until Xbox, PS3, Tivo, Blu-ray, Nintendo DSi, and all of those miscellaneous wi-fi devices support IPv6.  Home gateways, in particular, need to be swapped out, and many of them are consumer-owned, not ISP-provided.  Also, WinXP is still ~43% of computers, and unless somebody enables IPv6 on them and ISPs provides private resolvers in private IPv4 address space, they're going to drag the deployment.

My thoughts on how to motivate consumers are in www.asgard.org/documents.html in the TCO of CGN paper (and summarized in the slides).  In short, if ISPs run out of IPv4 addresses, they'll have to buy IPv4 addresses or deploy CGN, both of which cost money.  The consumer will get to decide, based on price.

Lee

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> From: Jesse D. Geddis <jesse at la-broadband.com>
>To: Lee Howard <spiffnolee at yahoo.com> 
>Cc: "arin-discuss at arin.net" <arin-discuss at arin.net> 
>Sent: Monday, May 14, 2012 11:16 PM
>Subject: Re: [arin-discuss] Encouraging IPv6 Transition (From PPML)
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>Very aware, thank you. AT&T is still not doing it for Dsl or vdsl. 
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>Jesse Geddis 
>LA Broadband LLC
>ASN 16602
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>On May 14, 2012, at 7:53 PM, "Lee Howard" <spiffnolee at yahoo.com> wrote:
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>>>________________________________
>>> From: Jesse D. Geddis <jesse at la-broadband.com>
>>>To: "arin-discuss at arin.net" <arin-discuss at arin.net> 
>>>Sent: Monday, May 14, 2012 5:35 PM
>>>Subject: Re: [arin-discuss] Encouraging IPv6 Transition (From PPML)
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>>>To most organizations there is no impact (technical or financial) to v4 depletion. I think that also applies to State's and municipalities. Evangelizing to them will have very little impact aside from adding an IPv6 address to their source NAT. The organizations in which it does impact are service providers and carriers who rely on address space to light new customers and services.
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>>>To my knowledge AT&T hasn't lit a single residence or phone with IPv6. 
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>>Uh, y'all are aware of this, right?
>>http://www.worldipv6launch.org/participants/?q=2
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>>You've seen this, right?  http://www.google.com/ipv6/statistics/
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>>Just checking to make sure we're talking about the same thing.
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>>Lee
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>>-- 
>>Jesse D. Geddis
>>>LA Broadband LLC
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>>>From: <Chu>, "Yi [NTK]" <Yi.Chu at sprint.com>
>>>Date: Monday, May 14, 2012 2:06 PM
>>>To: John Brown <john at citylinkfiber.com>, Jesse Geddis <jesse at la-broadband.com>, "<bpasdar at batblue.com>" <bpasdar at batblue.com>
>>>Cc: "arin-discuss at arin.net" <arin-discuss at arin.net>, Jimmy Hess <mysidia at gmail.com>, William Herrin <bill at herrin.us>, Bill Darte <billdarte at gmail.com>
>>>Subject: RE: [arin-discuss] Encouraging IPv6 Transition (From PPML)
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>>>If you work against economics, it is going to be very hard if not impossible, no matter how much outreach efforts ARIN or anyone else cares to invest.  If it does not make sense economically, it is not going to happen.
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>>>I am probably just stating the obvious.
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>>>yi
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>>>From:owner-arin at sprint.net [mailto:owner-arin at sprint.net] On Behalf Of John Brown
>>>Sent: Monday, May 14, 2012 4:18 PM
>>>To: Jesse D. Geddis; <bpasdar at batblue.com>
>>>Cc: arin-discuss at arin.net; Jimmy Hess; William Herrin; Bill Darte
>>>Subject: Re: [arin-discuss] Encouraging IPv6 Transition (From PPML)
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>>>I'd like to see more outreach.   City, County, State gov entities need to adopt IPv6.
>>>ARIN can help with this.
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>>>ARIN should put a program together to touch every single state in the union.  Have a State specific IPv6 day, co-hosted / sponsored by the university and local service providers.  
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>>>T
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>>>From: "Jesse D. Geddis" <jesse at la-broadband.com>
>>>Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 18:46:51 +0000
>>>To: "<bpasdar at batblue.com>" <bpasdar at batblue.com>
>>>Cc: "arin-discuss at arin.net" <arin-discuss at arin.net>, Jimmy Hess <mysidia at gmail.com>, William Herrin <bill at herrin.us>, Bill Darte <billdarte at gmail.com>
>>>Subject: Re: [arin-discuss] Encouraging IPv6 Transition (From PPML)
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>>>1. That only impacts consumers an would have no pact on organisations like banks, hospitals, or other general IT organisations. Take for example an organisation like Westfield. That would mean what, exactly to an organisation like that? Very little methinks.
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>>>2. Attempting to enlist Google in driving global or nationwide IT budgets and directions makes me uncomfortable to say the least.
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>>>3. It's using the stick approach and that stick is already being wielded via a vis depletion of address space.
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>>>I think the appropriate courses of action are the ones already being taken. There is only so much you can do and it seems to me the catalyst for most organisations will be the depletion.
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>>>Jesse Geddis 
>>>LA Broadband LLC
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>>>On May 14, 2012, at 11:18 AM, "Babak Pasdar" <bpasdar at batblue.com> wrote:
>>>Brilliant Bill -- Simply Brilliant!  Anyone at Google biting?
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>>>>From:Bill Darte [mailto:billdarte at gmail.com]
>>>>To: bpasdar at batblue.com
>>>>Cc: Chris Grundemann [mailto:cgrundemann at gmail.com], ARIN Discussion List [mailto:arin-discuss at arin.net], Jimmy Hess [mailto:mysidia at gmail.com], William Herrin [mailto:bill at herrin.us]
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>>>>Subject: Re: [arin-discuss] Encouraging IPv6 Transition (From PPML)
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>>>>What we need is a v6-only YouTube or other content segregation that allows those with v6 to get a larger view of the worlds resources in some empathic way.
>>>>bd
>>>>On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 8:27 AM, Babak Pasdar <bpasdar at batblue.com> wrote:
>>>>Chris,
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>>>>This is an important topic and I find your latter points to be especially on target.  Whenever I raise the IPv6 issue to my customers I get the same feedback:   "Yeah - Yeah, we've have been hearing this for years." 
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>>>>I believe that it is important for ARIN to develop more of an end-user campaign and in the effort to spell out the impact of lethargy and the failure to adapt.  ARIN needs not just to educate, but build momentum with strategic outreach so that IPv6 takes its
 place on the CIO mandate list.  This point is critical and I believe should be the center-piece of ARIN's efforts.  Bring on-board more strategic CIO evangelists and have them drive more high-profile IPv6 projects and others will follow.  
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>>>>Right now there is little to no IPv6 momentum in the US and thereby little to no CIO mandates for IPv6 projects which means lackluster industry engagement.
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>>>>Best Regards,
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>>>>Babak  
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>>>>--
>>>>Babak Pasdar | President & CEO | Certified Ethical Hacker | Bat Blue Networks
>>>>(p) 212.461.3322 x3005 | (w) BatBlue.com | (t) @bpasdar : @batblue
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>>>>From:Chris Grundemann [mailto:cgrundemann at gmail.com]
>>>>To: ARIN Discussion List [mailto:arin-discuss at arin.net]
>>>>Cc: Jimmy Hess [mailto:mysidia at gmail.com], William Herrin [mailto:bill at herrin.us]
>>>>Sent: Mon, 14 May 2012 10:53:43 -0400
>>>>Subject: [arin-discuss] Encouraging IPv6 Transition (From PPML) 
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>>>>Four ideas to promote IPv6 deployment, for your consideration and discussion:
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>>>>1) Make it as easy as possible for an org who actually wants IPv6 to
>>>>get it. This is mostly in place today (allocation fee waivers, one
>>>>maint. fee per Org ID, ease of qualification, etc.) but there is still
>>>>some possible room for improvement:
>>>>1A) Waive IPv6 assignment fees for end-users who request both IPv4
>>>>and IPv6 simultaneously.
>>>>1B) Move the </40 small/x-small threshold to <=/48.
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>>>>2) Provide additional motivation for orgs to request and deploy IPv6.
>>>>There are several top of mind methods to accomplish this:
>>>>2A) Require the officer attestation to acknowledge the current
>>>>state of affairs regarding IPv4 exhaustion and IPv6 requirements.
>>>>2B) Continue or even ramp up (especially targeting end users) ARINs
>>>>outreach efforts (which have been substantial in previous years but
>>>>are being wound down post IANA-exhaustion).
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>>>>Cheers,
>>>>~Chris
>>>>
>>>>-- 
>>>>@ChrisGrundemann
>>>>http://chrisgrundemann.com
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