[arin-discuss] Encouraging IPv6 Transition (From PPML)

[Jesse D. Geddis]

The relevance of this is pretty minimal. There is nothing stopping AT&T from putting v6 in their end user pools. They have not done this to date. Today even if you had v6 capable hardware on AT&T's network (as I do) you get nothing. There's no excuse for that IMHO.

Jesse Geddis
LA Broadband LLC
ASN 16602

On May 14, 2012, at 3:40 PM, "James Cornick - JCHost.net" <james.cornick at jchost.net> wrote:

> Until more residential ISPs adopt and deploy supported hardware it's not going to have enough market influence to move the translation in a substantial way.  I'm sure this has been noted before but figured I'd reiterate. That being said the waiver is good but only natural market forces will really drive it home.
> 
> James
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> On May 14, 2012, at 5:23 PM, Chris Grundemann <cgrundemann at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 4:07 PM, Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com> wrote:
>>> I would oppose this unless you're also willing to waive IPv6 assignment fees that do not accompany an IPv4 resource application. I see no benefit to the community from requiring people to consume extra IPv4 just to get a free IPv6 assignment. (Well, actually, I do see a small benefit in exhausting IPv4 and getting on with transition faster, but, I don't think it's necessarily good stewardship).
>> 
>> You're right Owen, I was over-simplifying. My fear is that a total fee
>> waiver may hurt ARIN financially. Even free initial-assignments may
>> cause harm.
>> 
>> I don't have ARINs budget at my fingertips, perhaps a staffer can let
>> us know how much it might cost to make initial IPv6 assignments (to
>> end-users) free for a year and then half price for a year.
>> 
>> That would do two things: First, it lowers a potential barrier, pure
>> cost of assignment. Second, it puts a touch of urgency on initial IPv6
>> requests: "Hey boss, we have to at least get our assignment this year
>> if we don't want to be forced to pay later..."
>> 
>> ~Chris
>> 
>>> Owen
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> 
>>> On May 14, 2012, at 3:03 PM, Scott Leibrand <scottleibrand at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> IMO 1A and 2A might usefully go together as a carrot + stick approach. A little extra attestation work in exchange for a "get v6 free with your v4" offer should encourage v6 adoption without increasing the overall time+cost burden on the orgs applying for space.
>>>> 
>>>> Scott
>>>> 
>>>> On May 14, 2012, at 10:53 AM, Chris Grundemann <cgrundemann at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Four ideas to promote IPv6 deployment, for your consideration and discussion:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 1) Make it as easy as possible for an org who actually wants IPv6 to
>>>>> get it. This is mostly in place today (allocation fee waivers, one
>>>>> maint. fee per Org ID, ease of qualification, etc.) but there is still
>>>>> some possible room for improvement:
>>>>> 1A) Waive IPv6 assignment fees for end-users who request both IPv4
>>>>> and IPv6 simultaneously.
>>>>> 1B) Move the </40 small/x-small threshold to <=/48.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 2) Provide additional motivation for orgs to request and deploy IPv6.
>>>>> There are several top of mind methods to accomplish this:
>>>>> 2A) Require the officer attestation to acknowledge the current
>>>>> state of affairs regarding IPv4 exhaustion and IPv6 requirements.
>>>>> 2B) Continue or even ramp up (especially targeting end users) ARINs
>>>>> outreach efforts (which have been substantial in previous years but
>>>>> are being wound down post IANA-exhaustion).
>>>>> 
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> ~Chris
>>>>> 
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