[arin-discuss] Encouraging IPv6 Transition (From PPML)

Mon May 14 19:09:11 EDT 2012

It's going to boil down to customers in general sparking this. However,
what really needs to /could happen is Service Providers should all join
forces and agree to a date they will cease turning up new clients over
IPv4 on say Jan 1, 2015. This will force the issue and cause
manufactures of (routers, switches, ip phones, etc) that don't yet
support IPv6 yet to add in a firmware / software update. This is the
only way I believe otherwise you are stuck will wise guys saying, there
is still about 50 million addresses left in IPv4. You cannot steer the
flock with a gentle voice.

I believe the best bet for massive adoption would be the largest cable
and DSL providers (first then, medium to small), they won't lose all of
their client base I'm sure. Heck, even the media could help with the
transition, since they like to blast things. At some point you just have
to pull the plug and say it was fun while it lasted.

OLSJ

OCOSA

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To: John Brown; Chris Grundemann; Owen DeLong
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Subject: Re: [arin-discuss] Encouraging IPv6 Transition (From PPML)

I am in agreement with John's premise, but as it relates to corporate
customers.   If you can make corporate customers care, then Service
Providers WILL care and they will care A LOT.  I believe the path to
make the corporate customers care is via mobile devices.  

I see many of my colleagues are of the mind that the consumer will drive
this.  Perhaps they are correct.  Perhaps the mobile device approach
will drive both consumer and corporate initiatives and break the log
jam.  It seems as though most agree that customers (be they corporate or
consumer) are the key to a break-through. No?

Great conversation folks and I appreciate the healthy dialogue and the
varying points of view.

Best Regards,

Babak  

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From: John Brown [mailto:john at citylinkfiber.com]
To: Chris Grundemann [mailto:cgrundemann at gmail.com], Owen DeLong
[mailto:owen at delong.com]
Cc: arin-discuss at arin.net [mailto:arin-discuss at arin.net]
Sent: Mon, 14 May 2012 18:30:20 -0400
Subject: Re: [arin-discuss] Encouraging IPv6 Transition (From PPML)

Hi folks,

IPv6 uptake is about end-users having a reason to care.
When they care, then the $ervice providers care.

I suspect that when the 3.141 /8's are gone from ARIN, then people will
really care and FAST.

I still have service providers that tell me they don't have IPv6
available
today. National transit providers aren't fully supporting it yet.

We have to find something(s) that will get the end user to give a darn
and
WANT IT.

On 5/14/12 4:23 PM, "Chris Grundemann" <cgrundemann at gmail.com> wrote:

>On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 4:07 PM, Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com> wrote:
>> I would oppose this unless you're also willing to waive IPv6
assignment
>>fees that do not accompany an IPv4 resource application. I see no
>>benefit to the community from requiring people to consume extra IPv4
>>just to get a free IPv6 assignment. (Well, actually, I do see a small
>>benefit in exhausting IPv4 and getting on with transition faster, but,
I
>>don't think it's necessarily good stewardship).
>
>You're right Owen, I was over-simplifying. My fear is that a total fee
>waiver may hurt ARIN financially. Even free initial-assignments may
>cause harm.
>
>I don't have ARINs budget at my fingertips, perhaps a staffer can let
>us know how much it might cost to make initial IPv6 assignments (to
>end-users) free for a year and then half price for a year.
>
>That would do two things: First, it lowers a potential barrier, pure
>cost of assignment. Second, it puts a touch of urgency on initial IPv6
>requests: "Hey boss, we have to at least get our assignment this year
>if we don't want to be forced to pay later..."
>
>~Chris
>
>> Owen
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On May 14, 2012, at 3:03 PM, Scott Leibrand <scottleibrand at gmail.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>> IMO 1A and 2A might usefully go together as a carrot + stick
approach.
>>>A little extra attestation work in exchange for a "get v6 free with
>>>your v4" offer should encourage v6 adoption without increasing the
>>>overall time+cost burden on the orgs applying for space.
>>>
>>> Scott
>>>
>>> On May 14, 2012, at 10:53 AM, Chris Grundemann
<cgrundemann at gmail.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Four ideas to promote IPv6 deployment, for your consideration and
>>>>discussion:
>>>>
>>>> 1) Make it as easy as possible for an org who actually wants IPv6
to
>>>> get it. This is mostly in place today (allocation fee waivers, one
>>>> maint. fee per Org ID, ease of qualification, etc.) but there is
still
>>>> some possible room for improvement:
>>>> 1A) Waive IPv6 assignment fees for end-users who request both IPv4
>>>> and IPv6 simultaneously.
>>>> 1B) Move the </40 small/x-small threshold to <=/48.
>>>>
>>>> 2) Provide additional motivation for orgs to request and deploy
IPv6.
>>>> There are several top of mind methods to accomplish this:
>>>> 2A) Require the officer attestation to acknowledge the current
>>>> state of affairs regarding IPv4 exhaustion and IPv6 requirements.
>>>> 2B) Continue or even ramp up (especially targeting end users) ARINs
>>>> outreach efforts (which have been substantial in previous years but
>>>> are being wound down post IANA-exhaustion).
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> ~Chris
>>>>
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