[arin-discuss] Question about legacy IPv4 and RADB

[Otis L. Surratt, Jr.]

I agree. Reputation is an important variable here. Just remember what it
would cost you to simply turn up this client and if it's worth it.
Simply have the client verify that they indeed own the block and if they
cannot simply move on. I would also notify ARIN as well. It's like
playing the game dominoes, "All money is not good money."

Otis L. Surratt, Jr.

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[mailto:arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net] On Behalf Of Jesse D. Geddis
Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2012 1:54 PM
To: Robert Marder; ARIN-discuss at arin.net
Subject: Re: [arin-discuss] Question about legacy IPv4 and RADB

RADB isn't a valid source. Anyone can create the objects. This sounds
like
a network engineer that found himself still the Tech POC on address
space
for a defunct company. Emailing his POC would not show anything of use.

Thank you Heather. It seems like the obvious sometimes needs to be
pointed
out. Anyway, it seems like this thread may have run it's course.
Personally, I wouldn't even follow up with this customer since it's
crystal clear what's going on but then I don't deal in circuits that
small. However, one would assume getting tangled up in a mess like that
when working on the smaller scale would have a much larger financial
impact (not to mention reputation)

-- 
Jesse D. Geddis
LA Broadband LLC



On 5/3/12 11:39 AM, "Robert Marder" <ram at robertmarder.com> wrote:

>
>
>On 2012-05-03 13:12, Scott Leibrand wrote:
>> As I understand it, any paying RADB customer can register route
>> objects for any route they like, as long as no one else has already
>> done so.  So I don't think RADB tells you much about the proper
>> holder of a block whose original registrant is now defunct.
>
>Yes, I believe this is the case.
>
>In any event, IANA/ARIN and the other RIRs are the authority on who
>controls a given IP block, not Merit.
>
>Your customer should contact ARIN with proof that the previous org
>still exists as a legal entity and they are the owners and have
>authority to change POC records, and then they should subsequently get
>the POC records updated, or if it doesn't, that it was sold/merged into
>a new org, and get the space assigned to a new OrgID.
>
>The way I would verify a case like this, since the names are different,
>would be to email the Tech POC and confirm that they have authorized
you
>to announce their space. If you get a positive reply from that, then
>combined with a signed LOA from your customer, that should be enough
>verification for both you and your transit carriers.
>
>If you want to stick to your guns, you should inform your customer you
>were unable to verify that the IP space belongs to them, and for them
to
>contact ARIN to fix the POC records associated with it.
>
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