[arin-discuss] Status of realigning the IPv6 fee structure?

[Owen DeLong]

Pretty easily.

Owen

On Mar 14, 2012, at 12:14 PM, John Brown wrote:

> Could you see calling a /32 Extra-Small ??
> 
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net [mailto:arin-discuss-
>> bounces at arin.net] On Behalf Of Owen DeLong
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 12:59 PM
>> To: Mike A. Salim
>> Cc: arin-discuss
>> Subject: Re: [arin-discuss] Status of realigning the IPv6 fee structure?
>> 
>> I don't believe anyone is discussing increasing current IPv6 fees.
>> 
>> What is under discussion, I believe, is the exact manner in which to make it
>> possible to get an IPv6 allocation without having it cause an increase over
>> what current subscribers are paying for IPv4.
>> 
>> If you were an X-Small IPv4 subscriber, then when you got your /32, you
>> moved into the small category and went from paying $1250/year to paying at
>> least $2250/year (nearly doubling your fees) except to the extent that you've
>> been receiving a fee waiver as has been the case so far for all IPv6
>> subscribers. (not IPv6 end users).
>> 
>> I'm not privy to what the board and the finance committee have been
>> discussing, but, what has been discussed on this list so far that I recall are
>> these three possibilities:
>> 
>> 1.	Lower fees for existing /32 and smaller subscribers to equivalent to
>> IPv4 X-Small ($1,250/year)
>> 2.	Leave existing /32 and larger subscribers with their current fees
>> ($2,250+/year) and create the X-Small
>> 	category for /36 subscribers only at $1,250/year.
>> 3.	Change the fee for the small category to $1,250/year, but leave the
>> boundary between small and medium at /40.
>> 
>> Personally, I think 3 is absurd. I just can't see calling an organization with a /40
>> "extra small".
>> 
>> Your second paragraph is not clear as to whether you are advocating 1 or 2 or
>> some different mixture of the two.
>> 
>> I would be OK with extending X-Small up to and including /32 and I agree that
>> is the best alternative if it can be done without too much of a revenue hit to
>> ARIN.
>> 
>> I would also be OK with treating existing /32 subscribers as x-small and
>> marking new /32s as small, though ARIN may not want the accounting
>> overhead associated with that.
>> 
>> I don't think that anyone should be forced to renumber or pay higher fees
>> than they are already paying as part of this. However, I'm not sure that
>> people who want to have their existing fees lowered by $1,000/year
>> shouldn't have to vacate 15/16ths of their address space to receive that fee
>> reduction. I'm undecided on this issue as I don't have full knowledge of the
>> impact of the various alternatives on ARIN's financial state.
>> 
>> Owen
>> 
>> On Mar 14, 2012, at 11:00 AM, Mike A. Salim wrote:
>> 
>>> This is a good discussion.  We are currently utilizing our /32 IPv6 space.  If
>> we are forced to go to a smaller allocation at this point we would be forced to
>> renumber, and it would cause issues for us and for our customers.  And I
>> totally concur that an increase in IPv6 fees at this early stage of IPv6 adoption
>> will be counter productive.
>>> 
>>> I suggest that if XS or smaller allocations are introduced, that existing
>> allocations be grandfathered without a price change.  There is enough IPv6
>> space that this should not be a problem.
>>> 
>>> Best regards
>>> Mike
>>> 
>>> A. Michael Salim
>>> VP and Chief Technology Officer,
>>> American Data Technology, Inc.
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>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net
>>> [mailto:arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net] On Behalf Of Randy Carpenter
>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 5:47 PM
>>> To: arin-discuss
>>> Subject: [arin-discuss] Status of realigning the IPv6 fee structure?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> What is the status of realigning the IPv6 fee structure so that it matches the
>> current policy of allocating based on nibble boundaries? This has been
>> discussed in the past, but I have not heard anything lately. Jumping from
>> $2,250 right to $9,000 doesn't make much sense.
>>> 
>>> thanks,
>>> -Randy
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