[arin-discuss] /20 initial allocation for single-homed server?

Fri May 21 11:55:51 EDT 2010

Many might argue that Twitter is frivolous use of IP space and it
certainly wasn't dreamed of by ARPA and the early inventors, but some
people are getting real measurable value out of it and would consider
its use of IP space as legitimate.

I don't think that ARIN should judge whether a commercial service is
frivolous, at least not after the economics has been demonstrated.

Therefore, it appears that the flaw in policy is that a traditional ISP
can't use this as justification while it can be used to get space under
the end-user policy. Perhaps this simple statement is what was meant in
the original post. I thought that I sensed a criticism of the service
itself (as frivolous) as you also may have. I think that is not
relevant, but the policy should work as well for traditional ISPs as end
users.

Mel Stotyn 
Senior Operations Specialist 
ENMAX Envision Inc. 
mailto:mstotyn at enmax.com 
Phone: 403 514-3443

-----Original Message-----
From: James J. Lumby II [mailto:james at cpctechnology.com] 
Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 9:02 AM
To: Stotyn, Mel
Subject: RE: [arin-discuss] /20 initial allocation for single-homed
server?

I think a large part of the problem is that this seems like frivolous
usage of IP space.  That and the fact that under current regulations, it
does not justify usage on a providers part, but as an end user, it does
since they are not required to provide justification.

Thank you,
James Lumby
CPC Technologies, LLC.
http://www.cpctechnology.com
817-435-0010 x 5040

-----Original Message-----
From: Stotyn, Mel [mailto:mstotyn at enmax.com]
Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 10:00 AM
To: James J. Lumby II
Subject: RE: [arin-discuss] /20 initial allocation for single-homed
server?

It is an Internet service that people are presumably willing to pay for.

Do you want ARIN to be judging what is a legitimate service and what
isn't? All Internet connectivity services can be used for illegal or
just unfriendly purposes as well as legal, friendly and extremely useful
purposes (some which were never dreamed of when IP was invented). Who
should judge what is a legitimate service that needs IP address blocks
to operate?

Mel Stotyn 
Senior Operations Specialist 
ENMAX Envision Inc. 
mailto:mstotyn at enmax.com 
Phone: 403 514-3443

-----Original Message-----
From: arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net
[mailto:arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net] On Behalf Of James J. Lumby II
Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 7:39 AM
To: Randy McAnally; michael.dillon at bt.com
Cc: arin-discuss at arin.net
Subject: Re: [arin-discuss] /20 initial allocation for single-homed
server?

I agree, it has been my understanding that proxies were not an
acceptable justification.  Especially for that large a block.  

Thank you,
James Lumby
CPC Technologies, LLC.
http://www.cpctechnology.com
817-435-0010 x 5040

-----Original Message-----
From: arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net
[mailto:arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net] On Behalf Of Randy McAnally
Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 8:25 AM
To: michael.dillon at bt.com
Cc: arin-discuss at arin.net
Subject: Re: [arin-discuss] /20 initial allocation for single-homed
server?

> As for this IPv4 user, they have roughly 2000 users connected, and are

> buying enough hardware to support an additional 4000. Are you saying 
> that ARIN policy is flawed because it gives out a /20 to Internet 
> Service Providers with only 6000 users connected?

As an ISP, if we assign someone a /20, we'd be hard pressed to get
additional resources from ARIN providing "proxy" or "irc" as
justification.

As an end user, he bypasses such restrictions, given a host doesn't care
about proper justification in assigning him his original /20.

Disconnect in policy?

--
Randy
www.FastServ.com

---------- Original Message -----------
From: <michael.dillon at bt.com>
To: <arin-discuss at arin.net>
Sent: Fri, 21 May 2010 14:16:18 +0100
Subject: Re: [arin-discuss] /20 initial allocation for single-homed
server?

> > Please start a new thread about IPv6 if you wish to rant about it.
> > 
> > Flawed policy if some random person with a _single server_, no BGP 
> > or multi-home can receive a /20 IPv4 or (for sake of argument) a /32

> > IPv6 from ARIN.
> 
> Who is ranting?
> 
> Are you sure that there isn't enough /32 blocks available in IPv6 to 
> do what you propose?
> 
> As for this IPv4 user, they have roughly 2000 users connected, and are

> buying enough hardware to support an additional 4000. Are you saying 
> that ARIN policy is flawed because it gives out a /20 to Internet 
> Service Providers with only 6000 users connected?
> 
> --Michael Dillon
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