[arin-discuss] Suggestion 2010.1 -- Initial Fee Waiver for IPv6assignments to LRSA signatories

Mon Mar 1 09:26:39 EST 2010

Here's how I think it should go. If I'm an LRSA holder and want IPv6
space, I would have to sign a normal RSA for the IPv6 space and pay the
fees as a regular space holder, just like any other RSA holder. I am
willing to encourage IPv6 as long as we don't get into a battle between
legacy and non legacy holders over fees. Neither should be getting a
"better deal" than the other.

I hope this makes my position clear.

- Brian

From: Owen DeLong [mailto:owen at delong.com] 
Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2010 9:26 PM
To: Brian Johnson
Subject: Re: [arin-discuss] Suggestion 2010.1 -- Initial Fee Waiver for
IPv6assignments to LRSA signatories

Not really... They get a special rate on the initial IPv6 assignment,
but, after that, they're paying the same $100/year

that every other end-user is paying.

The intent here is to induce them to both embrace IPv6 _AND_ start
paying for their IPv4 under end-user terms

rather than keep their legacy status and exclusion from the ARIN
community and policies altogether so long

as they can avoid dealing with IPv6.

As I see it, the alternative is that we have yet another group of users
with an additional incentive to push back

against IPv6 which I regard as harmful to the internet in general.

Owen

On Feb 27, 2010, at 12:59 PM, Brian Johnson wrote:

Owen,

I would still be opposed under the idea that they would deserve special
rates. This would perpetuate the idea of multiple classes of members /
space holders that I would like to see diminished if not eliminated.

- Brian

From: Owen DeLong [mailto:owen at delong.com] 
Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2010 5:16 AM
To: Brian Johnson
Cc: arin-discuss at arin.net
Subject: Re: [arin-discuss] Suggestion 2010.1 -- Initial Fee Waiver for
IPv6assignments to LRSA signatories

Brian,

          The IPv6 space under this suggestion would be subject to
regular RSA, not LRSA.

Only the legacy space would be covered by the LRSA.  With that
clarification, do you

still oppose the suggestion? (I'll note that the suggestion relates to
reducing fees, ARIN

policy already provides for them to get the space on these terms).

Owen

On Feb 25, 2010, at 6:27 AM, Brian Johnson wrote:

I oppose this proposal as it maintains the current divide between legacy
space and "regular" space. If a legacy holder wants IPv6 space, they
would need to sign a regular RSA and join the rest of us.

- Brian

From: arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net
[mailto:arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net] On Behalf Of Owen DeLong
Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 10:39 PM
To: arin-discuss at arin.net
Subject: [arin-discuss] Suggestion 2010.1 -- Initial Fee Waiver for
IPv6assignments to LRSA signatories

I have submitted a formal suggestion to the ACSP recommending that the
BoT waive initial

assignment fees for IPv6 when the applicant is a legacy resource holder
that has signed

the LRSA.

I believe this helps remove most of the barriers to entry for legacy
IPv4 holders to migrate

to IPv6 and is in the best interests of the community.

ARIN has informed me that the matter will be placed on the Board's
finance committee

agenda.  As such, I would like to encourage members here who have an
opinion on the

matter to let the board know what you think, ideally by posting a
message to this list.

Owen

Below is the message I received from ARIN and the original suggestion I
submitted:

Owen,

This is in response to your suggestion noted below and assigned number
2010.1.

Thank you for your suggestion relating to charging no initial fee
related to request for an initial IPv6 allocation and/or assignments for
Legacy Holders that have signed the ARIN Legacy Registration Service
Agreement.  As this relates to fees, this will be added to the ARIN
Board's Finance Committee agenda for 2010.

Some other information related to this suggestion is that the current
IPv6 waiver for allocations for initial requests and renewals in 2010 is
a 50% fee waiver. For requests in 2011, the allocation fees will be 25%
waived. 
In terms of assignments, the initial fee is not waived.  Clients
requesting assignment resources pay an initial fee per request of
address space and thereafter pay annual allocation or maintenance fees
related to the Organizational ID as a whole. Initial fees are to cover
the effort related to reviewing and analyzing the request, whereas
maintenance fees are designed to cover the overhead of maintaining
objects in the database.

Recent changes were implemented in mid 2009 for organizations with both
ARIN-issued and Legacy Resources. They are assessed an Annual Fee based
on the ARIN-issued resources and not charged the Legacy resource
maintenance fee.

ARIN is reliant on its active membership to help it better serve the
community and we want to commend you for your continuing activism and
service.

Regards,

Member Services
American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN)

*********************************************

2010.1
01-18-2010 16:58:30

ARIN should offer legacy holders that sign the LRSA the opportunity to
receive an appropriate IPv6 allocation or assignment for no initial fee.
The applicable standard renewal fees would apply thereafter.

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