[arin-discuss] urgency of IPv6

[Owen DeLong]

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On Jun 28, 2010, at 6:24 AM, Ted Mittelstaedt <tedm at ipinc.net> wrote:

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> On 6/25/2010 10:52 PM, Owen DeLong wrote:
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>> On Jun 25, 2010, at 11:57 AM, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
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>>> On 6/25/2010 11:38 AM, Lee Howard wrote:
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>>>> ----- Original Message ----
>>>>> From: Ted Mittelstaedt<tedm at ipinc.net>
>>>>> To: arin-discuss at arin.net
>>>>> Sent: Thu, June 24, 2010 3:19:43 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [arin-discuss] urgency of IPv6
>>>>> 
>>>>> In the US the ISP
>>>>> market is at saturation, it has
>>>>> matured and nobody is really
>>>>> growing unless someone else is shrinking.
>>>> 
>>>> The Caribbean is growing at a good pace.
>>>> See also any statistics about growth, and make sure
>>>> to include devices with IP capabilities (handhelds,
>>>> consoles, etc.).
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> I can easily imagine a scenario where the rest of the
>>>>> world ends up moving to IPv6 and sells it's IPv4 back to ISP's in
>>>>> the US via the transfer market.
>>>> 
>>>> Potential transfer recipients in the US will be
>>>> competing against potential recipients within the
>>>> region of origin.
>>>> 
>>>>> Internet experience
>>>>> consists mainly of accessing Hulu, Ebay, and CNN,
>>>>> since clearly
>>>>> the content providers are going to be the very last ones
>>>>> to go to IPv6-only.
>>>> 
>>>> I believe Hulu is owned by NBC Universal, in process
>>>> of being acquired by Comcast, which is deploying IPv6.
>>>> "The public-facing eBay Web site will be upgraded for what's called
>>>> dual-stack IPv4 and IPv6 access in 2011.
>>>> "
>>>> http://www.networkworld.com/news/2010/020410-ipv6-web-sites.html?page=1
>>>> CNN is served by a CDN, so it will be available when the CDN is.
>>>> 
>>>> It is not clear that content providers will be last.  There
>>>> are good reasons for content providers to prefer IPv6 over
>>>> the alternatives.
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> If the content providers are getting any money for providing
>>> content (ie: advertising revenue) then they will definitely be
>>> last to drop IPv4.
>>> 
>> Who cares... Dropping IPv4 is irrelevant. What counts is when
>> they add IPv6.
> 
> Why?  If I'm a customer with IPv4 and my content provider of
> choice adds IPv6 without ANY additional content, why would I
> want to spend the money to upgrade my stuff to get the same
> thing over IPv6?
> 
> Ted

Who cares?  The important thing is that new eyeball users that are unable to get IPv4 addresses can get to the content without bizarre hacks to give them horribly degraded IPv4 connectivity.

Owen