[arin-discuss] fee waivers

[Owen DeLong]

OK... I will attempt to explain the terms once again...

He does not have an allocation.
He has an assignment.

Assignments are to end users. They can not be carved up into netblocks given
out to other organizations. Exchange points are treated as end users because
they generally issue single addresses on a network they maintain to their
customers, rather than blocks of addresses to be used in networks maintained
by their customers.

Allocations are to ISPs (LIRs in the Internet Registry vernacular). Allocations
can be subdivided into assignments and reallocations. Assignments are
again to end users and indivisible. Reallocations are to ISPs (LIRs) that
are customers of the allocating organization and can be treated just like
an allocation by the subordinate organization with the exception that if
they stop being a customer of the upstream LIR/ISP, they lose the block
and have to renumber (including their customers) out of that block.

End users pay high up-front fees for each new block they receive (which
happens infrequently in most end-user cases). ISPs pay no up-front fees
for each additional block they receive (which happens much more frequently
in most cases).

End users pay $100 recurring annual maintenance to keep their registrations
in the databases. Their registrations are very simple.

ISPs pay annual fees based on their maximum annual growth rate which
covers both their additional applications for the year AND their records
in the databases. Their registrations are much more complex since their
records include data for all their customer allocations and assignments
and perhaps even their customers customer allocations and assignments.

Owen

On Jun 22, 2010, at 6:13 PM, Brian Johnson wrote:

> Aaron,
> 
> So maybe this is my misunderstanding, but I thought the fee was the same
> for the IPv6 as it is for IPv4 space... In fact it is
> (https://www.arin.net/fees/fee_schedule.html). How do you only pay $100
> when you have an allocation and the minimum charge for an allocation is
> $1250/yr?
> 
> Is there a special way I can have my allocations for $100/yr. Where do I
> sign up? :) 
> 
> - Brian
> 
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Aaron Wendel [mailto:aaron at wholesaleinternet.net]
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 6:54 PM
>> To: Brian Johnson; arin-discuss at arin.net
>> Subject: RE: [arin-discuss] fee waivers
>> 
>> We do.  Got it a couple years ago when we first started up.  A member
>> paid
>> the initial fee then as well and I pull the $100 out of my pocket
> every
>> year
>> to pay the ongoing ARIN Fees.
>> 
>> Again, this isn't about my situation specifically.  My bill is paid.
>> This
>> is about a barrier to entry for other end users that may not be able
> or
>> willing to pony up for a v6 allocation that they don't see as "mission
>> critical" at this point.
>> 
>> Whether they should or not is another debate but I really feel that we
>> need
>> to look at any and all barriers to entry on the v6 side and see what
> we
>> can
>> do to make it, if not a zero-sum game then at least less painful.
>> 
>> Aaron
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net [mailto:arin-discuss-
>> bounces at arin.net]
>> On Behalf Of Brian Johnson
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 6:31 PM
>> To: arin-discuss at arin.net
>> Subject: Re: [arin-discuss] fee waivers
>> 
>> Do you have IPv4 space now? How are/were you paying that fee?
>> 
>> 
>> - Brian
>> 
>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net [mailto:arin-discuss-
>>> bounces at arin.net] On Behalf Of Aaron Wendel
>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 2:46 PM
>>> To: arin-discuss at arin.net
>>> Subject: [arin-discuss] fee waivers
>>> 
>>> As the operator of a small, free exchange point I was recently hit
>> with
>>> the
>>> $1250 fee for an IPv6 allocation.  After several go arounds with our
>>> members
>>> one of them stepped up to the plate and generously donated the fee
> to
>>> cover
>>> it.  (Thanks HE!)
>>> 
>>> It made me think though.  Without this help we would not have gone
> v6
>>> or we
>>> would have had to implement some work around: space from a member,
>>> private
>>> space, etc. that wouldn't have been optimum and may have been such a
>>> hassle
>>> we would have just abandoned it.
>>> 
>>> It seems to me that it would be a good idea to extend the fee waiver
>>> ISPs
>>> receive to end users for a time, on the current sliding scale, to
>>> encourage
>>> adoption of v6 by everyone, not just ISPs.  My fee has already been
>>> paid but
>>> if we're really trying to push adoption, incentives should be
> applied
>>> to
>>> everyone on the same plane and not just a single "class".
>>> 
>>> Aaron
>>> Kcix.net
>>> 
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