[arin-discuss] Suggestion 2010.1 -- Initial Fee Waiver for IPv6 assignments to LRSA signatories
Aaron Wendel
aaron at wholesaleinternet.net
Thu Feb 4 16:49:02 EST 2010
Your ARIN fees pay for registration services. It takes just as long and as
much effort for someone to record the registration information for a /14 as
it does for a /24 so in reality the big guys are getting screwed because
they pay more for the same service the small guys get.
As you so strongly promote in other posts, IPs are not property so you are
not "buying" them. Cost per IP has nothing to do with it. It's the
registration services.
You really seem to have an axe to grind about everything. Have you ever
considered therapy or maybe crack? Maybe you just need a good woman... or
man if that's what you're into. (Not judging anyone) I hope the rest of
your life is happier than it seems to be here.
Aaron
-----Original Message-----
From: Ted Mittelstaedt [mailto:tedm at ipinc.net]
Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 3:35 PM
To: Aaron Wendel
Cc: 'Owen DeLong'; 'Scott Leibrand'; arin-discuss at arin.net
Subject: Re: [arin-discuss] Suggestion 2010.1 -- Initial Fee Waiver for IPv6
assignments to LRSA signatories
Aaron Wendel wrote:
> To address Owen's suggestion directly, I am not opposed to fee waivers to
> encourage v6 adoption, however, I think ARIN should avoid, at all costs,
> doing favors for one segment of address holders and not another.
I agree - however ARIN already is HEAVILY stacked in favor of the
large holders. Check out the cost-per-IP address, it drops like a
rock as the number of IP addresses you obtain from ARIN grows.
Since we are already stacked in favor of the large holders, adjusting
the initial fee to bear more heavily on the large holders as I advise
actually brings ARIN to LESS of a point of favoring one segment of
address holders over another.
> If the
> suggestion was just for a blanket fee waiver then I don't see a problem
with
> it. It's up to ARIN to decide whether they can take the financial hit.
A blanket fee waiver continues to bias the costs more towards the
smaller orgs with less numbers, which is what you claim you want to
avoid - your logic is highly inconsistent here.
Either you just don't realize the cost issues involved or your being
disingenuous.
Ted
>
>
>
> Since I have a draft proposal on the table currently I'm becoming very
> educated to the different "camps" that exist in the ARIN community. You
> would be amazed at how these conversations are shaped by people who don't
> even hold address space. ARIN needs to be careful to make sure the needs
to
> its overall membership are serviced before it caters to any specific group
> or even anonymous individuals posting on PPML.
>
>
>
> Aaron
>
>
>
>
>
> From: arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net [mailto:arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net]
> On Behalf Of Owen DeLong
> Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 3:03 PM
> To: Scott Leibrand
> Cc: arin-discuss at arin.net
> Subject: Re: [arin-discuss] Suggestion 2010.1 -- Initial Fee Waiver for
IPv6
> assignments to LRSA signatories
>
>
>
> However, the ongoing maintenance fees for assignments are $100/year which
> you are already
>
> paying if you signed the LRSA, so, there is actually no additional ongoing
> cost, either.
>
>
>
> Owen
>
>
>
> On Feb 4, 2010, at 11:45 AM, Scott Leibrand wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> If you have a legacy allocation and need additional number resources from
> ARIN, you have to sign a regular RSA to get them. The LRSA only covers
the
> legacy resources themselves. So the IPv6 resources this fee waiver
> suggestion would apply to would be covered by the RSA. It would not be
an
> ongoing distinction, though, as it would only waive the initial assignment
> fee, not ongoing maintenance fees.
>
> -Scott
>
> On 2/4/2010 11:09 AM, Aaron Wendel wrote:
>
> I have a question on this.
>
>
>
> If I have a legacy allocation do I not have to sign a regular RSA to get
> resources from ARIN? Do we have 2 classes of IP holders getting services
> here?
>
>
>
> Aaron
>
>
>
>
>
> From: arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net [mailto:arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net]
> On Behalf Of Keith W. Hare
> Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 1:07 PM
> To: arin-discuss at arin.net
> Subject: Re: [arin-discuss] Suggestion 2010.1 -- Initial Fee Waiver for
IPv6
> assignments to LRSA signatories
>
>
>
> I support Owen's suggestion that IPv6 initial assignment fees be waived
for
> legacy resource holders who have signed the LRSA.
>
>
>
> Keith Hare
>
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> From: arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net [mailto:arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net]
> On Behalf Of Owen DeLong
> Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 11:39 PM
> To: arin-discuss at arin.net
> Subject: [arin-discuss] Suggestion 2010.1 -- Initial Fee Waiver for IPv6
> assignments to LRSA signatories
>
>
>
> I have submitted a formal suggestion to the ACSP recommending that the BoT
> waive initial
>
> assignment fees for IPv6 when the applicant is a legacy resource holder
that
> has signed
>
> the LRSA.
>
>
>
> I believe this helps remove most of the barriers to entry for legacy IPv4
> holders to migrate
>
> to IPv6 and is in the best interests of the community.
>
>
>
> ARIN has informed me that the matter will be placed on the Board's finance
> committee
>
> agenda. As such, I would like to encourage members here who have an
opinion
> on the
>
> matter to let the board know what you think, ideally by posting a message
to
> this list.
>
>
>
>
>
> Owen
>
>
>
>
>
> Below is the message I received from ARIN and the original suggestion I
> submitted:
>
>
>
> Owen,
>
>
> This is in response to your suggestion noted below and assigned number
> 2010.1.
>
> Thank you for your suggestion relating to charging no initial fee related
to
> request for an initial IPv6 allocation and/or assignments for Legacy
Holders
> that have signed the ARIN Legacy Registration Service Agreement. As this
> relates to fees, this will be added to the ARIN Board's Finance Committee
> agenda for 2010.
>
> Some other information related to this suggestion is that the current IPv6
> waiver for allocations for initial requests and renewals in 2010 is a 50%
> fee waiver. For requests in 2011, the allocation fees will be 25% waived.
> In terms of assignments, the initial fee is not waived. Clients
requesting
> assignment resources pay an initial fee per request of address space and
> thereafter pay annual allocation or maintenance fees related to the
> Organizational ID as a whole. Initial fees are to cover the effort related
> to reviewing and analyzing the request, whereas maintenance fees are
> designed to cover the overhead of maintaining objects in the database.
>
> Recent changes were implemented in mid 2009 for organizations with both
> ARIN-issued and Legacy Resources. They are assessed an Annual Fee based on
> the ARIN-issued resources and not charged the Legacy resource maintenance
> fee.
>
> ARIN is reliant on its active membership to help it better serve the
> community and we want to commend you for your continuing activism and
> service.
>
> Regards,
>
> Member Services
> American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN)
>
> *********************************************
>
> 2010.1
> 01-18-2010 16:58:30
>
> ARIN should offer legacy holders that sign the LRSA the opportunity to
> receive an appropriate IPv6 allocation or assignment for no initial fee.
The
> applicable standard renewal fees would apply thereafter.
>
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