[arin-discuss] use of 220.127.116.11/16 not clear
farmer at umn.edu
Thu Sep 24 13:12:35 EDT 2009
On 24 Sep 2009 Owen DeLong wrote:
> I agree heroic efforts are misplaced.
> I would not categorize documenting and distributing a /16 as
> being a heroic effort.
> I would not categorize making a simple polite request to InterOp
> to return a /16 so that it can be aggregated into a /12 and offering
> them replacement space if needed to be heroic.
> Much beyond that, I'm in agreement.
I agree with Owen, no heroic efforts. But, clearing up the
status of 18.104.22.168/16 and politely asking InterOP to return
22.214.171.124/16, with a replacement if necessary, in order to
reaggregate and make 126.96.36.199/12 available is not "heroic
effort", it is "due diligence."
"No heroic efforts" is not the same thing as "no effort at all".
If we expect the world to take us seriously when they actually
realize they need to do something for the Internet to keep
growing, upgrade their network, upgrade their computer,
upgrade their OS, etc... We have to be able to demonstrate
that we have done "due diligence" in recovering what can at
least be easily recovered.
Most people in the world don't realize IP Addresses exist, let
alone that we are running out of the version of them that most
people use. When they finally realize there is a problem they
are going to want to know what was done about it.
I also agree with the point that there are several legacy /8s
assigned to large corporations, that in todays world just don't
seem right. However, I not sure what can be done about it,
especially anything that wouldn't be considered "heroic effort".
The primary non-heroic effort that could be done has, the
transfer policy. This should allow these legacy /8 holders to
transfer some of their addresses to others on a voluntary
Any attempt to force the return of part or all of the legacy /8s
would likely end-up in court, which seems like "heroic effort" to
me. Even worse, it is possible to lose in court and end-up with
rulings that make things worse, rather than better.
David Farmer Email:farmer at umn.edu
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