[arin-discuss] Participating in ARIN elections
Scott Leibrand
scottleibrand at gmail.com
Fri Jul 24 14:25:53 EDT 2009
When it comes to elections, the effort required to cast your own ballot
is about the same as that required to designate someone else to do it.
I would encourage everyone to make use of the "statements of support" on
the candidates' pages to indicate which candidates you support and why,
and take such statements into consideration when casting your ballot.
If "some of us" make the effort to do such research and summarize it for
others, then the "many of us" with less time to do so can use that
information to help make an informed decision.
-Scott
VAUGHN THURMAN - SWIFT SYSTEMS INC wrote:
> Hmmm...
>
> Can this be pooled? In other words, could "many of us" designate "some of
> us"?
>
> ~V
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joe Maimon [mailto:jmaimon at chl.com]
> Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 2:09 PM
> To: VAUGHN THURMAN - SWIFT SYSTEMS INC
> Cc: arin-discuss at arin.net
> Subject: Re: [arin-discuss] Good Stewardship by example, I'd like to RETURN
> a /20
>
> Arin allows for Designated Member Representative
>
> While this will help with election representation, it wont help much to
> show consensus for policies.
>
> Joe
>
> VAUGHN THURMAN - SWIFT SYSTEMS INC wrote:
>
>> I agree. There are plenty of good operations doing a few million a year
>>
> in
>
>> sales who seriously cannot afford the combined travel costs and lost time
>>
> of
>
>> key staff. Sending the receptionist doesn't do much good. I really feel
>> like the small ISP's need to band up, share expenses and delegate/hire a
>> competent and loyal representative.
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: John Brown [mailto:john at citylinkfiber.com]
>> Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 12:37 PM
>> To: VAUGHN THURMAN - SWIFT SYSTEMS INC; Owen DeLong
>> Cc: arin-discuss at arin.net
>> Subject: RE: [arin-discuss] Good Stewardship by example,I'd like to RETURN
>>
> a
>
>> /20
>>
>> When I was on the ARIN AC once upon a time, I often mentioned that the
>> small guy wasn't considered as much as ARIN should be. I was told that
>> I was incorrect. Hmm, I still think the small ISP, rural ISP is still
>> overlooked.
>>
>> The small rural ISP doesn't have the time, or in many cases the money to
>> fly and attend a ARIN meeting in some "expensive" city. I had hoped
>> that more local out-reach could be done with local meetings.
>>
>> Associating ARIN meetings with NANOG meetings, while generally a good
>> idea, also doesn't solve the issue for the small guy. Must small ISP's
>> don't attend NANOG either, for much the same reasons.
>>
>> This creates an impression that personal participation in ARIN is
>> limited to the "BIG Guys", those that can afford to spend $1500 or more
>> in travel and other costs to attend an ARIN meeting.
>>
>> As has been mentioned many a time on this and other lists, participation
>> is key. Whinning is non-productive, constructive suggestions are
>> productive.
>>
>> There is also an educational ramp up issue to look at. Many of those on
>> this list have been involved with netops for decades, many of the
>> questions have been asked and answered before, newer people now getting
>> involved will ask those questions again. It may be useful for the AC to
>> work on a list of "common" questions for the website.
>>
>> 1. Why can or can't ARIN just make XXX return their space.
>> Pre ARIN allocated
>> Pre InterNIC allocated
>>
>> Etc.
>>
>>
>>
>> In general the community needs to keep an open mind to the questions
>> that come forward. There could be good ideas in there.
>>
>> A detailed look at the space, and really what is in use vs allocated
>> needs to be conducted.
>>
>>
>> With respects to IPv6. Bottom line. That train is coming to town, get
>> your depot built and ready to receive the cargo, or be by-passed. The
>> fact that your provider doesn't have it yet is an invalid excuse. Get
>> it working internally, use a tunnel broker, but get it working. Then
>> BUG THE HECK out of your providers sales guy every other week. They
>> will get the message.
>>
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net
>>> [mailto:arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net] On Behalf Of VAUGHN
>>> THURMAN - SWIFT SYSTEMS INC
>>> Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 10:08 AM
>>> To: 'Owen DeLong'
>>> Cc: arin-discuss at arin.net
>>> Subject: Re: [arin-discuss] Good Stewardship by example,I'd
>>> like to RETURN a /20
>>>
>>> Thanks for fleshing that out Owen.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I think the issue is that small ISP's (overworked and often
>>> overwhelmed) have not been paying attention.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I think the "community" is being represented by a subset that
>>> seems to have (opinion here, not asserting as fact) been
>>> under-representing the small ISP's, which by the way make up
>>> the bulk of the community - the silent majority in fact.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I hope I am not the only part of the sleeping bear that has
>>> been awakened, but believe we are paying more attention now.
>>> You might not be so lonely on that stance should it come up again.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ~Vaughn
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Owen DeLong [mailto:owen at delong.com]
>>> Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 11:15 AM
>>> To: VAUGHN THURMAN - SWIFT SYSTEMS INC
>>> Cc: arin-discuss at arin.net
>>> Subject: Re: [arin-discuss] Good Stewardship by example, I'd
>>> like to RETURN a /20
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> PS. I also just learned (from an offline conversation,
>>> quote below) that
>>> ARIN recently set a policy to allow the selling of IP
>>> space (paid transfers)
>>> between organizations. Does this seem counter to good
>>> stewardship in a time
>>> of impending depletion? If I have my head on straight,
>>> this is a pretty
>>> kind act towards those same early/big assignment
>>> holders, isn't it?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> You say "ARIN recently set" as if ARIN was some third party
>>> setting policy
>>>
>>> independent of input from the membership or the community.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> While the policy proposals in question took a tortured and
>>> circuitous route
>>>
>>> to adoption, it was definitely done with community input and support
>>>
>>> throughout the process.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It is a matter of record that I was the only dissenting voice
>>> in passing
>>>
>>> policy proposal 2009-1, and, that I did so strictly because I
>>> felt that the
>>>
>>> community's interests were not represented in the removal of
>>> the sunset
>>>
>>> clause. Given the lack of support for subsequently restoring
>>> the sunset
>>>
>>> clause both in the AC and apparently on PPML, I can only conclude
>>>
>>> that my belief the community wanted the sunset clause may well have
>>>
>>> been incorrect.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> While I remain unconvinced that a liberalized transfer policy is good
>>>
>>> policy, I am convinced that of the community which was participating
>>>
>>> in policy development at the time the issue was being
>>> considered, there
>>>
>>> was/is strong support for such a policy.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I do not believe the ARIN should adopt bad policy just because there
>>>
>>> is strong community support for it. However, I do believe
>>> that if ARIN
>>>
>>> (specifically the AC and the BoT) are going to go against strong
>>>
>>> community support, then, they should be somewhat certain that the
>>>
>>> policy in question is bad policy. I am not sufficiently
>>> certain that the
>>>
>>> relaxed transfer policy is bad policy.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Owen
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The opinions above are mine and mine alone. I am not speaking
>>>
>>> for the AC and many members of the AC disagree with me on
>>>
>>> this subject.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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