[arin-discuss] ARIN spammed us with "talk to the hand" ?

Ted Mittelstaedt tedm at ipinc.net
Fri Feb 27 13:34:02 EST 2009 

 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sean Cheesman [mailto:scheesman at level365.com] 
> Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 10:28 AM
> To: Ted Mittelstaedt; arin-discuss at arin.net
> Subject: RE: [arin-discuss] ARIN spammed us with "talk to the hand" ?
> 
> I think you're missing the point.  The reason ARIN has 
> multiple POC roles is to direct requests to the proper POC.  
> Just blindly emailing all POCs on record is irresponsible and 
> resolves nothing.  That was the point.  No one is arguing 
> that these email addresses are somehow off limits.

You missed the operative sentence in the post I was responding to:

"...Regardless of whether the message was reasonable..."

The poster is basing his decision on opposing the mailing
purely based on the fact it was sent to all POCs, NOT on the idea
that it was misdirected to some of the wrong POCs.

If the poster had said that "due to the content this shouldn't
have been sent to all POCs" then I might have agreed if he had
posted some logical arguments.

But, he didn't - he said specifically he didn't care about
content.  THAT is the problem.  I am glad that you agree that
content DOES MATTER in these mass e-mailings.

Ted

> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net 
> [mailto:arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net] On Behalf Of Ted Mittelstaedt
> Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 1:23 PM
> To: arin-discuss at arin.net
> Subject: Re: [arin-discuss] ARIN spammed us with "talk to the hand" ?
> 
> 
> I disagree.  If you put your e-mail address on a POC with 
> ARIN then it's public record and if you can't deal with that, 
> then nobody is holding a gun to your head and forcing you to 
> get portable number blocks from ARIN.  Get them from one of 
> your upstream ISPs and let that ISP handle e-mails to the POC 
> for that block.
> 
> You accept some responsibilities when you request and obtain 
> portable numbers.  One of them is posting an e-mail contact 
> that people can use to reach you and READING MAIL SENT TO IT.
> If you don't like this, well then there's LOTS OF OTHER 
> PEOPLE out there who want IPv4 and are MORE THAN WILLING to 
> meet this SIMPLE responsibility.
> 
> I have had my personal e-mail address available on various 
> websites, plus POC's and domain name POCs for years - I use 
> it in all my public posting, and I have NO PROBLEM dealing 
> with the spam.  Google it up - I just did and got about 3K responses.
> I unconditionally reject the LAME argument that public e-mail 
> addresses ae not to be mailed to.
> 
> This is PART OF YOUR JOB that your employer is paying you 
> for.  Suck it up and deal with it.  NOBODY is too important 
> to read a legitimate* e-mail sent to them
> 
> Ted
> 
> * Legitimate e-mail: NOT containing baldness cures, penis 
> enlargements, requests for money, get rich quick scams, 
> basically anything that is trying to get money from you.
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net
> > [mailto:arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net] On Behalf Of Pete Templin
> > Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 8:42 AM
> > To: Scott Leibrand; Jo Rhett
> > Cc: arin-discuss at arin.net
> > Subject: Re: [arin-discuss] ARIN spammed us with "talk to 
> the hand" ?
> >
> > Scott,
> >
> > Regardless of whether the message was reasonable, I think 
> the delivery 
> > method was flawed: I think the ARIN-announce mailing list 
> should have 
> > been the first method of announcement, and only if the 
> message seemed 
> > to fall on deaf ears should it later be distributed to some 
> contacts, 
> > not all contacts.
> > Perhaps in doing so, ARIN could have sent it from an address other 
> > than do-not-reply at arin.net.
> >
> > Pete Templin
> >  IP Engineer
> > TexLink Communications
> > A Pac-West Telecomm, Inc. company
> >
> > Tel:    +1 (210) 892-4183
> > Fax:   +1 (210) 892-4101
> > Main: +1 877 774 4100
> > pete.templin at texlink.com
> > www.texlink.com
> >
> > Parent Company:
> > Pac-West Telecomm, Inc.
> > Main: +1 877 626 4325
> > www.pacwest.com
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net
> > [mailto:arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net] On Behalf Of Scott Leibrand
> > Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 8:36 PM
> > To: Jo Rhett
> > Cc: arin-discuss at arin.net
> > Subject: Re: [arin-discuss] ARIN spammed us with "talk to 
> the hand" ?
> >
> > Jo,
> >
> > I was not involved in any discussions around that notice, 
> but when I 
> > got it, I interpreted it as saying, "We're aware of a problem, and 
> > believe it may affect a lot of you.  We can't fix it for you, but 
> > here's what you need to know to get it fixed if you're affected."
> >
> > Quite reasonable, IMO.
> >
> > -Scott
> >
> > Jo Rhett wrote:
> > > Can someone explain to me why ARIN spammed all of our 
> ARIN contacts 
> > > (including (A)buse contacts!) with a notice that says 
> "talk to the 
> > > hand" ?
> > >
> > >
> > >> If you or your peers experience any of these types of
> > problems, you
> > >> are encouraged to contact and work with third-party information 
> > >> software vendors and/or the content providers directly to effect 
> > >> changes.
> > >>
> > >
> > > If ARIN can not and will not do anything to contact these
> > parties and
> > > get it resolved, why does it send a notice telling us with
> > this?  Next
> > > week will we see a notice that ARIN won't be involved in saving 
> > > starving children in Africa?  I imagine that ARIN will be 
> very busy 
> > > informing us of every thing it does not plan to work on 
> ... is this 
> > > helpful?  Honestly?
> > >
> > > Entire message below:
> > >
> > >> Per a request from an ARIN customer, ARIN is sending you
> > this letter
> > >> as a courtesy notification of problems some registrants of 
> > >> ARIN-issued
> > >> IPv4
> > >> addresses have experienced.
> > >>
> > >> Some geolocation and content providers are misidentifying
> > ARIN-issued
> > >> address space as being outside the ARIN region. Common problems 
> > >> experienced by ARIN registrants over the last two years include:
> > >>
> > >> - search engines misidentifying the addresses as being in South 
> > >> America;
> > >> - content caching providers sending traffic via nodes in South 
> > >> America; and
> > >> - e-commerce transactions failing or being delaying due to fraud 
> > >> prevention procedures being triggered when the payment 
> processing 
> > >> system believes the transaction is originating in South America.
> > >>
> > >> Registrants have experienced these problems both with new IANA- 
> > >> issued /8s (like 173.0.0.0/8 and 174.0.0.0/8) and with /8s
> > which ARIN
> > >> has issued and re-issued over many years (like 63.0.0.0/8).
> > >>
> > >> If you or your peers experience any of these types of
> > problems, you
> > >> are encouraged to contact and work with third-party information 
> > >> software vendors and/or the content providers directly to effect 
> > >> changes.
> > >>
> > >> Regards,
> > >>
> > >> Leslie Nobile
> > >> Director, Registration Services
> > >> American Registry for Internet Numbers
> > >>
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