[arin-discuss] The joy of SWIPping

[Aaron Wendel]

We have the resources to "bring the hurt" on people when we feel it's
warranted however, in this case and most others, I'd rather work with ARIN
and the community to find a way to address the concerns rather than just
going suit happy on people.  It's been suggested that I draft a proposal to
change the way SWIPs are handled.  I'm seriously looking into it.

My position on this whole thing is that in today's world, where people are
becoming more and more sophisticated, we, as service providers, have a duty
to protect client information and provide the best service possible.  One
way we do that is by acting as an intermediary between our customers and the
outside world.

Now before everyone starts screaming about spam...  This is not about
protecting or hiding spammers.  This is about real companies and individuals
that do not want to be contacted about network information or would even
know what to do with it.  

I am more than happy to provide ARIN with my IP lists, complete with
customer information, during the justification process.

Aaron


-----Original Message-----
From: arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net [mailto:arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net]
On Behalf Of michael.dillon at bt.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 6:15 PM
To: arin-discuss at arin.net
Subject: Re: [arin-discuss] The joy of SWIPping

> Both of these examples really happened.  We lost both 
> customers and the police had to get involved.

Quite frankly you should sue ARIN for damages when
things like this happen, if you can afford it. You might
even find that once the lawsuit is under way, some law school 
will cover your costs in order to establish some case law.

ARIN is kowtowing to the interests of vigilante groups who
have appointed themselves as the Internet police. Once someone
takes this through the courts, I expect them to rule that ARIN
cannot force PUBLICATION of this data regardless of how useful
the data may be to vigilantes.

The fact is that the vigilantes scream louder than ARIN members
and therefore it is the interests of the vigilantes that shape 
ARIN policy.

> One other question for everyone out there that's sort of 
> related, How do you reconcile posting customer information in 
> a public database with your privacy policy?

We use RWHOIS and there is nothing in there but a company name
and a city. Since most of our customers are large enough to have
multiple locations, even in one city, this doesn't give anything
away that isn't already in various sales materials. No street
addresses and no zip codes. None of your business. If ARIN wants
more info for additional address block applications, then we promptly
supply it under their NDA.

--Michael Dillon
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