[arin-discuss] Justifiable Censorship?

[Kyle Ackerman]

Alvin,

Thank you for the clarification.  I too, thought that Dean "crossed the
line" when he called it "organized crime".  I was really more curious
than anything and wanted to know what it would take to get kicked off
this list and how that action would be justified.  I avoid "lists" like
the plague because those that (think) they are the world's smartest
people seem to dictate the topics of discussion.

I'm all for discussing ARIN business only and will sit back and keep my
mouth shut unless I have something topical to discuss.

Have a great day everyone!

Kyle Ackerman
Founder
Xtratyme Technologies, Inc.
"Home of the Blueprint America Program"
www.xtratyme.com
888.987.2896 (888-XTRATYME)
 
"We develop partnerships with individuals, groups, businesses, and
governmental units that understand the importance of bringing good
quality high-speed Internet access to everyone in their local community"

-----Original Message-----
From: Alvin Starr [mailto:alvin at iplink.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 1:28 PM
To: Kyle Ackerman
Subject: [SPAM] Re: [arin-discuss] Justifiable Censorship?
Importance: Low

Kyle Ackerman wrote:
> Mr. Plzak,
>
> Many of us would have to agree that Dean Anderson can be outright
> annoying.  He appears to have a significant amount of time to pursue
> angles and details that many of us would never consider nor take the
> time to discuss.  While I can't say I agree with his approach, nor do
I
> condone his "soapbox" approach, do you or we have the right to
restrict
> his First Amendment rights?  Is there really proof that he has
violated
> the ARIN AUP or is "someone" just tired of reading his emails?
>
> We live in a country where people can burn flags, where protesters can
> waste considerable time and money, where we have the right to voice
our
> opinion.  Like it or not, these are things that are part of our
American
> foundation.  I am not a supporter of Dean's tirades but I AM a
supporter
> of our U.S. Constitution and the right to voice an opinion.  There are
> others on the list that have seen merit in some of the concerns that
> Dean has outlined so it appears that, at the very least, some of the
> members are benefiting from this discussion.
>
> I would like to request a clarification, for the sake of Dean's First
> Amendment rights as an American citizen, on how he violated the
current
> list AUP.  I realize that the list is not a public forum for
> "soap-boxing" and that you have the right to censor certain
> discussion... But... is this REALLY what we want to set as a
precedence
> for future topical discussions?  If the discussion gets ugly do we
want
> to simply "turn off" those that disagree with our viewpoints?
>
> Dean obviously has a mission and is passionate about certain things.
> Some would say "way too many things".  But, again, have we unfairly
> censored his right to participate in this organization?  You mentioned
> that he was "blacklisted" for the following reason:
>
> "untrue and per se defamatory posting alleging criminal activity."
>   
Dean has said that Paul Vixie is involved with organized crime.
Several times both on and off list.

This is in relation to a court case that was first a civil matter and 
secondly was settled out of court.
So the voracity of the a ligations was never really tested or proved.
The same rule applies that says you cannot call OJ Simpson a murder.


So I would have to second the ARIN point of view.

> Could you please provide some supporting details on this?  I am
> embarrassed to admit how much time I have spent reading the
submissions
> to this list in the past 6 months.  But, the one thing that I do
notice
> is that Dean typically supports all of his claims and/or discussions
> with information that can be verified as factual (or not).  If he
> chooses to risk a lawsuit for defamation and/or character damage,
isn't
> that his risk and not ARIN's?  Unless you have proof that the
> information he has posted is untrue, isn't he innocent until proven
> guilty? 
>
>   
I hope you can now provide support for this action.
If you want more info I can cut and paste some email snippits for you.

> If you can truly support your allegation listed above, then I will
> support your decision 100%.  If not, shouldn't we consider Dean's
right
> to free speech?  I'd be interested to hear what the other members
think
> on this topic.
>
> Regards,
>
> Kyle
>
> Kyle Ackerman
> Founder
> Xtratyme Technologies, Inc.
> "Home of the Blueprint America Program"
> www.xtratyme.com
> 888.987.2896 (888-XTRATYME)
>  
> "We develop partnerships with individuals, groups, businesses, and
> governmental units that understand the importance of bringing good
> quality high-speed Internet access to everyone in their local
community"
>
> P.S.  What will I do for interesting reading if Dean is not available?
> Maybe he should start his own "soapbox" website???? ;)  I guess I will
> have to do REAL work today!
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> ARIN-Discuss
> You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN 
> Discussion Mailing List (ARIN-discuss at arin.net).
> Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at:
> http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-discuss
> Please contact the ARIN Member Services Help Desk at info at arin.net
> if you experience any issues.
>   


-- 
Alvin Starr                   ||   voice: (416)585-9971
Interlink Connectivity        ||   fax:   (416)585-9974
alvin at iplink.net              ||


-- 
No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG Free Edition. 
Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.20/1262 - Release Date:
2/6/2008 9:13 AM