[arin-discuss] [ppml] Counsel statement on Legacy assignments?

[Jeremy Anthony Kinsey]

On Oct 8, 2007, at 3:03 PM, Dean Anderson wrote:

> On Mon, 8 Oct 2007, Jeremy Anthony Kinsey wrote:
>
>>
>> On Oct 8, 2007, at 11:13 AM, Dean Anderson wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> ARIN has an obligation to honor those government agreements.   
>>> ARIN has
>>> honored those agreements and ARIN's obligations under those  
>>> agreements
>>> for more than 10 years.
>>>
>>
>> Understood...
>>
>> So who has the "obligation" to pay for this?
>
> ARIN has that obligation.

Ok, that answers my question.. WE pay for it, "WE"  being, ARIN, ie.,  
the members..

> Just like the private toll company that has
> to maintain the road in return for the opportunity to collect tolls,

Toll roads rarely if ever funnel moneys collected directly to  
maintaining the roadway ;-)

> likewise ARIN the obligation to maintain the government records in
> return for the privilege and opportunity to collect tolls on new
> delegations.

I'm not referring to government records.. I am referring to the  
maintaining of legacy IP space holders, which are NOT governmental  
bodies.

> Internet Legacy's are no different from legacy underground
> cable rights that pre-dated the toll company.  The toll company may  
> have
> to store and maintain those records, too.

The difference is, members are paying for the "legacy's".   Many of  
us take issue with that.
>
> What ARIN is proposing is kind of like the toll road operator saying
> (after 11 years) that it doesn't want to maintain the roads  
> anymore; it
> will only maintain the toll booths, since only the toll booths produce
> revenue, and the roads are just an expense outside the toll  
> booths.  It
> says this even though for 11 years, it maintained the roads and it was
> always understood that it had to maintain the roads.  Not only  
> that, but
> it was the third such toll operator, and each of the prior operators
> also maintained the roads and understood that was required of them.

Your toll road example is not working for me... Without digressing, a  
toll is a tax... Once a tax is in place, it is never removed.. This  
is evidenced by the Tri-State Toll Way system that was supposed to be  
in operation for 13 years.... It's still collecting the tax...

In any event, in your Toll Road example.. EVERYONE that uses the TOLL  
road pays... There are no "LEGACY" truck drivers, or "LEGACY"  
commuters that are exempt from the TOLLS.. Using your example,  
EVERYONE should pay.
>
> Not only all this, but ARIN also has saved up 7 years of operating
> capital, and as a result, ARIN stains non-profit status to have such
> continuous long term profit. It is plainly collecting too much on too
> little, with (some say) too much staff travel expense.

If that is the case, than perhaps there should be a fee reduction?   
If there is such a surplus, it certainly explains that useless comic  
book I received...

Personally, to me, the first piece of correspondence and or material  
I ever receive from ARIN over the years turns out to be a comic  
book... We all had a good laugh here anyway...

Regards,
Jeremy Anthony Kinsey
  e-mail: jer at mia.net
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