[arin-discuss] [ppml] Counsel statementon Legacy assignments?(fwd)

[Barry Dykes]

One of the things that a flat fee would discourage is IP address aggregation.  Today, most businesses get their IP addresses from their upstream provider (most commonly at no additional cost...).  Partially the no additional cost comes from the fact that the service provider will incur a summary cost increase only if he breaks into another payment tier.
        However, should there be a flat fee per IP address the incentive to use your upstream IP address allocation would probably go away since the cost would surely be passed on to the customer.  Once this occurs, the customer would do just as well to get their own block from ARIN.  Now that everyone has dis-contiguous IP blocks (even when connected to the same provider), the routing tables increase dramatically in size (no ability to aggregate announcements), every change that occurs is no longer isolated to the providers backbone - but propagates throughout the Internet (so let's all change routing tables constantly).
        So I'm not really on board with a flat IP cost...  There needs to be some incentive to aggregate, and the best incentive is usually economic.

Thanks,


Barry Dykes
Vice President Engineering/Operations
ViaWest, Inc.
Office: 303.407.4708
Fax: 303.885.4999
www.viawest.net


-----Original Message-----
From: arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net [mailto:arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net] On Behalf Of Chad Kissinger
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 11:29 AM
To: Kirk Ismay; arin-discuss at arin.net
Subject: Re: [arin-discuss] [ppml] Counsel statementon Legacy assignments?(fwd)



It would seem to me that the fee should be based on a per-IP number
basis.  Why should some company that has many, many times my allocation
pay less than twice as much as I do per year?

I think the argument that what you are really paying for is registration
service is specious.... what am I paying for in a year in which I don't
require any registration services?  I've been in the ISP business now
for 14 years and I think I've gone through approximately 5 allocations
in that time... most years I don't need any registration service at all.


Why, during those years when I don't need more IP space, is my fee
higher than someone else who actually did go through a registration
process in that year... just because my existing blocks are bigger?

It would seem that existing policy is that you do pay on a per-IP basis
up to a certain point (/14 in IPv4), and then it's all you can eat.

I think the policy should be:

The Yearly cost of maintaining an allocation should equal Arin's total
annual costs divided by the total number of IP numbers allocated times
the total number of IPs being used by the member.

Right now, as your allocations get larger, you have less and less of an
incentive to worry about whether or not you are wasting IP space.  A per
IP number fee policy would align the community's interests (i.e.
conservation of IP space) with the financial interests of the members
using the space.  Right now IP space is effectively a "commons" and we
are seeing the "tragedy of the commons".


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-----Original Message-----
From: arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net
[mailto:arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net] On Behalf Of Kirk Ismay
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 12:11 PM
To: arin-discuss at arin.net
Subject: Re: [arin-discuss] [ppml] Counsel statementon Legacy
assignments?(fwd)


>
> I'd prefer that the communities' energies (and ARIN's) go to promoting

> IPv6 traction rather than scraping the bottom of the IPv4 barrel,
> especially when we don't _really_ know what's down there.
>
>
I agree with focusing on the future.

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