[arin-discuss] Legacy RSA

[Steve Bertrand]

Dean Anderson wrote:
> On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 Scott.Shackelford at cox.com wrote:
>>  Regardless of the validity or accuracy of of the intent of theses
>> threads, they are becoming very counter productive.
> 
> I think people such Steve Bertrand have been asking reasonable and
> thoughtful questions.  Board Members have been short on facts. Getting
> Board Members to produce facts is productive. Explaining the facts known
> so far, and persuading members to support removal of Board Members is
> productive.

Hrm... I honestly don't know if this is a sarcastic comment or not
regarding my posts. It's hard to tell...What I do know is there needs to
be a pretty good consensus of members to vote out the board, and I
really don't see that happening here...

> But I am spending way too much time arguing with detractors over
> unimportant side issues. I'll try to avoid that.

My name was brought up personally, so now here's my peace.

How are you arguing? The last x^x threads have not been arguing. It has
been a one against x^x onslaught. It needs to stop. This argument was
dead in what, 2006?

>> The very participation that this mailing list encourages; your tone
>> and persistence has begun to remove. Please look around and notice the
>> growing number of 'unsubscribes' that have occurred in the recent
>> past. There is a direct correlation here.
> 
> As Ted noted already, most of the 'unsubscribes' are bogus. 

Bullshit! I am a real person, and so are many others I have spoken to
off list who are wanting to unsub.

Please, chill out. I don't care anymore what anyone says. ARIN needs
input from operation to make logical decisions that will have a direct
affect on global Internet routing.

All RIR's must agree to a common ground, and it should almost be
expected that North America would come up with an initial policy that
will perhaps affect the world.

As I see it, there can be no way that ARIN can enforce a numbering
policy that has the potential to affect the globe without first taking
into consideration fact or at least opinion that of the most senior
engineers/operators who were in this position 10+ years ago.

Do I care where ARIN spends my money? Yes. Do I question where it goes
to? Sure.

Should I spend my time worrying about what the next step is when
millions of dollars have to go out the window to upgrade core
infrastructure because there has been a poor decision in IP assignment
policy? Absolutely not.

When someone forces ARIN's hand, and ARIN produces documentation to
otherwise prove that the money spent on educational *whatever* was a
waste of dollars, then I'll worry. In the meantime, I'll trust that (as
an engineer/operator), ARIN will at minimum take some consideration into
the opinions and decisions that the IETF are moving on, and more
importantly, the BCP that the engineers and operations managers that
frequent NANOG are doing.

PLEASE don't let ARIN distribute IP's in a structural manner, without
any input from the people that actually have to implement them. Sure,
this is politics, and I hate it, but technically this is life for the
next generation.

Steve