[arin-discuss] ARIN Travel

[Jon Radel]

I know about IPv6 and am starting to get a touch nervous about the
impact of the increasing difficulty in obtaining IPv4 addresses on
future expansion plans.

My management team is pretty much oblivious and, when they think about
it at all, assume ARIN will cough up all the addresses we need when we
need them, forever, despite my attempts to disabuse them of this notion.

My transit providers...well, one allows as to how they're doing some of
that IPv6 stuff in Europe and will be ready to talk to me 2nd Q 2008
here in the U.S., and the other appears to be stonewalling me,
presumably in the hopes that I'll stop asking awkward questions.  I
suspect you'd all recognize both of their names, as they're pretty big
players.

I'm lucky if the freshly minted "network engineers" they hire around
here can be counted on to reliably manipulate IPv4; expecting them to
show up with a firm grasp of what an IPv6 transition entails, oh, how I
wish....

And statements about how my softswitch will obviously just work with
IPv6 once it's running on a machine with an IPv6 stack leave me somewhat
bemused.

So frankly, I'm all for ARIN taking some of my management team's money
and using it for outreach at VON to my managers (though I think my
president skipped VON this year) and key people at my VOIP equipment
vendors.  The more official sources who go around waving their hands and
gently calling everyone's attention to the looming changes, the more
likely I'm to be listened to when I present a plan.  The more likely my
vendors will say something more useful than, "Huh?" when I ask which
version will support provisioning IPv6 addresses into the call routing
tables.  The less likely my 2009 and 2010 will be painful years.

Jon Radel
Senior Director of Engineering
Vantage Communications
p: 267-756-1014
f: 202-742-5661
e: jradel at vantage.com

"When you can measure what you are speaking about, and express it in
numbers, you know something about it; but when you cannot measure it,
when you cannot express it in numbers, your knowledge is of a meagre and
unsatisfactory kind; it may be the beginning of knowledge, but you have
scarcely, in your thoughts, advanced to the state of science, whatever the matter may be." ~Lord Kelvin



Bill Darte wrote:
>
> If ARIN were to restrict its outreach through telconf meetings there
> would be howl about catering to only techies and those with such
> resources.  ARIN travels about the service area precisely so that many
> can attend who cannot fly off to expensive places.
>
> Outreach is not a joke...it's hard to gain mindshare of all those who
> need let alone those who should know of the v4 and v6 issues.  If you
> have more suggestions on how to actually reach and inform more
> audiences, your input is welcome.
>
> I teach at a premier university and while you're right, students know
> of the internet and use it, but its remarkable how little they know 
> of how it works...even when the subject being taught involves these
> protocols..and those are graduate students and technologists from
> prestigious companies....
>
> Bill Darte
> ARIN AC
> Washington University in St. Louis
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net on behalf of G.Hiscott
> Sent: Fri 11/2/2007 1:14 PM
> To: arin-discuss at arin.net
> Subject: Re: [arin-discuss] ARIN Travel
>
> I agree with Dean Anderson regarding his point about ARIN travel.
>
> It often, in my opinion, seems pointless and as much could be
> accomplished with teleconferencing or videoconferencing.
>
> We are supposed to be an example of the new way of communicating yet
> ARIN is still motivating people to fly to far off places and spend
> resources above and beyond what is needed to confer.
>
> The outreach is a joke, in my opinion.  They don't need to sell or
> peddle address space.  Every college kid receiving a diploma today knows
> about the net and can find out how to get address space quite easily
> through Google.
>
> Regarding the rebuttal: It strengthens ARIN
>
> How does it strengthen ARIN?  ARIN is a form of a monopoly.  It has a
> charge to administrate address space.  Nobody can compete.  Everybody
> who wants to participate can participate.  It is established.
>
> What do you mean by the word "Strengthen" -  Does that mean it will help
> arin to get members converted to IPV6 faster ?  Will it reduce their
> costs in some way ?  Will it help them with a breakthrough development
> in administrating address space?  Yeah, right.
>
>
>
> GJH
>
>
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