[arin-discuss] Privacy of Reassignment Information

[Mohamed S.]

Wow. You'd think no one's ever been on a mailing list before :) Just 
check the bottom of each email!

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Bruce Goldstein wrote:
> Ditto.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
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> On Behalf Of Hostmaster
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> To: peter at webperception.com; 'william(at)elan.net'
> Cc: ARIN-discuss at arin.net
> Subject: Re: [arin-discuss] Privacy of Reassignment Information
> 
> I would like to know how to get off this list also
> 
> -----Original Message-----
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> On Behalf Of PETER SKEELS
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> 
> How do I get off this list???
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> 
> william(at)elan.net wrote:
> 
>> You're not required to provide your email address or phone for ARIN 
>> reassignment records (yes, there are marketeers that will send postal
>> mail advertisement, but that seems far from being serious issue).
>>
>> Phone and email are only required for contact information and that
>> is optional and you can always choose to use your ISP's contact for 
>> reassignment (in fact that is how its done for simple reassignment).
>>
>> On Mon, 10 Apr 2006, Gary Wall wrote:
>>
>>  
>>
>>> Hi Tom,
>>>
>>> I agree that there is a duty to be transparent. But open records are
>>> abused by spammers and enforcement against them is like trying to get
>>> the toothpaste back in the tube.  Maybe having a system that requires a
>>> non-machine readable challenge-response like Godaddy or such might be
>>> the solution for all parties that need to query this information. There
>>> might be a backdoor for qualified parties on a need-to-know basis.
>>>
>>> Best Regards,
>>>
>>> Gary
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net
>>> [mailto:arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net] On Behalf Of Tom Vest
>>> Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 1:28 PM
>>> To: ppml at arin.net
>>> Cc: ARIN-discuss at arin.net; Mark Erskine
>>> Subject: Re: [arin-discuss] Privacy of Reassignment Information
>>>
>>> If the information can be legitimately obscured, then it is only a
>>> matter of time before the anonymity will be abused by unscrupulous
>>> people.
>>>
>>> I think it would be prudent to take a letter from other "governance"
>>> discussions, and strongly resist the temptation to combat "higher
>>> level" abuses by imposing the enforcement burden on "lower level"
>>> operations/administrative structures. ARIN and the RIRs are vested
>>> with responsibility for maintaining records for number resources held
>>> in public trust. If the records are abused, the specific abuses and
>>> abusers should be targeted -- even if this is more difficult --
>>> rather than taking the easy route of attacking the underlying systems.
>>>
>>> Tom
>>>
>>> On Apr 10, 2006, at 12:37 PM, G.Hiscott wrote:
>>>
>>>    
>>>
>>>> if the information is available, then it is only a matter of time
>>>> before it
>>>> will be abused for marketing purposes by unscrupolous sales people.
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>> ...... Original Message .......
>>>> On Mon, 10 Apr 2006 12:23:34 -0400 "Mark Erskine"
>>>> <MErskine at HostDepot.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>      
>>>>
>>>>> I'll second that!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Mark Erskine
>>>>> Host Depot, Inc.
>>>>> http://www.HostDepot.com
>>>>> Phone: 954.340.3527
>>>>> Fax: 954.340.3539
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net
>>>>> [mailto:arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net] On Behalf Of Barry Dykes
>>>>> Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 12:20 PM
>>>>> Cc: ARIN-discuss at arin.net; ppml at arin.net
>>>>> Subject: Re: [arin-discuss] Privacy of Reassignment Information
>>>>>
>>>>> I have to say that I do not agree with making everything public.
>>>>> Spam
>>>>> and phishing are one thing, but I pay a lot of money to get my
>>>>> customers
>>>>> and more to keep them.  I have no intention of posting that for any
>>>>> competitor to browse.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Barry A. Dykes
>>>>> VP Engineering/Operations
>>>>> ViaWest Internet Services
>>>>> bdykes at viawest.net
>>>>> 303-407-4708
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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