<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="overflow-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;">The problem I see with that thinking is I wouldn’t want to see IRR objects that were not the automatic result of<div>ROA creation removed when the ROA expires or is removed.</div><div><br></div><div>Owen</div><div><br><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Sep 11, 2023, at 12:41, Richard Laager <rlaager@wiktel.com> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2023-09-08 09:54, Rhys Barrie via
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<div dir="ltr">In my opinion, opt-in is functionally equivalent to
not changing anything at <br>
<div>all, because 95% of organizations will never make the
conscious effort to click <br>
the button.</div>
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</blockquote><p>Agreed.<br>
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<div>hearing Job's feedback, and seeing LACNIC's success with a
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tightly-coupled integration, I am reasonably convinced as to
the validity and <br>
efficacy of that solution, and I agree that opening the door
to discrepancies <br>
WILL cause discrepancies (and outright issues as a result) to
occur. I believe <br>
that pure opt-in/opt-out exacerbates the long-tail problem as
well.<br>
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</blockquote><p>Agreed.</p><p><br>
</p><p>As long as we are talking about RPKI automating IRR, this should
be fine.</p><p>The opposite (creating a route object creates a ROA) is not
reasonable, IMHO. I don't think anyone has suggested that
approach, though.</p><p>Also, AFAIK, nobody has suggested that IRR route objects would
require ROAs, right? As of right now, I still have the problem
that I can create IRR records, but not ROAs, as ROAs can only be
created for direct allocations, not reallocations.</p>
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