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<p class="MsoPlainText">On 9/6/23, 10:15 PM, "ARIN-consult on behalf of William Herrin" <arin-consult-bounces@arin.net <mailto:arin-consult-bounces@arin.net> on behalf of bill@herrin.us <mailto:bill@herrin.us>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> On Wed, Sep 6, 2023 at 4:42 PM Job Snijders <job@fastly.com <mailto:job@fastly.com>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> > If I’m understanding you correctly, you don’t offer a compelling case, other than that - theoretically - one must exist<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> As one of the users, I don't want it. <br>
> That's as compelling an argument as there needs to be.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> Regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> Bill Herrin<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="color:black">You don't say _why_ you don't want it.<br>
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Looking back to other commentors on this thread: <br>
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I found three that I think touched on this:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="color:black">Dale Carder (ESnet):<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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I am estimating the default behavior should skew heavily towards<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="color:black">Orgs who are relatively uncomplicated, and for them, the automagic<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="color:black">maintenance of IRR objects can be a huge win in terms of simplicity<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="color:black">as well as providing immediate benefit for the Internet at large<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="color:black">with more data in trustworthy IRR sources.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="color:black">We do need to recognize there are Orgs for whom this default behavior<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="color:black">would not be necessary, or perhaps even reasonable. I would believe<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="color:black">them to be in the minority. A few have chimed in as part of this<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="color:black">discussion and to me, this effectively makes a case for opt-out<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="color:black">functionality, communicated well in advance.
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="color:black">Miles McCreadie (Midco Comm.):<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Opt-in at the Organization level.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="color:black">Opting in should not remove existing IRR route(6) objects that do not match a ROA though it would probably be useful to highlight any differences between IRR data and ROAs, possibly
with an option to fully align the IRR data with the ROA. (ie "The following IRR route(6) objects either match or are more specifics of the prefix in this ROA, click here to remove all the IRR route(6) objects that do not match the prefix in the ROA. The
non-matching IRR route(6) objects can be managed separately from the ROA.")<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="color:black">Chuck Hague (Charter Comm):<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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I believe either and opt-in or opt-out option would be best per ORGID<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="color:black">It seems these could be summarized as “I imagine there should be a knob but have no concrete reason why”.<br>
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Obviously, I'm removing some context and apologize for what may seem like a glib characterization.<br>
I really mean no disrespect, just trying to move things forward.<br>
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I found Job’s extensive, detailed discussions to not including the opt-out to be compelling and will express my support for that approach.<br>
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Tony<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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