<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">I will disagree strongly here.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I have, at various times, been the Voting DMR (or whatever it was called at the time) for as many as 5 organizations. All were clients at the time. (The total is well over 5, but the max at one time was 5).</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Most of the time, most of the clients instructed me as “use your best judgment, you are more familiar with the parties in question.”. Occasionally, a client would ask for a summary of my views on the candidates and then instruct me how they wanted me to vote.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">In all cases, I absolutely voted in the best interest of each client (unless voting according to their specific instructions) with their vote. Most of the time this did not require any split voting. On a few occasions, it did.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Even though I’m not currently voting on behalf of any ARIN members other than myself, I would oppose any effort to eliminate the possibility of contractors voting on behalf of their clients if authorized to do so by said client.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Owen</div><div class=""><br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jan 10, 2022, at 13:01 , Azinger, Marla <<a href="mailto:Marla.Azinger@FTR.com" class="">Marla.Azinger@FTR.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class="">
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<div class="WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal">If ARIN is looking for people that actually want to be involved to cast the voting and really care, the votes would best be cast by anything other than a proxy.<o:p class=""></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p class=""> </o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal">I find proxy voters don’t always care what the desire of the company is and there is no validation being done they casted votes how the owner of the vote would actually want.<o:p class=""></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p class=""> </o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal">I’m not a fan of proxy this day in age. Proxy to me is a throw back to before online voting occurred. There’s no reason a company cant vote on their own.<o:p class=""></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p class=""> </o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p class=""> </o:p></p>
<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">Marla Azinger | SPVR, IP Management<o:p class=""></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal">O 585-413-9128 | <a href="mailto:marla.azinger@ftr.com" class=""><span style="color:#0563C1" class="">marla.azinger@ftr.com</span></a><o:p class=""></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span id="cid:image001.png@01D80622.06339C50"><image001.png></span><span id="cid:image002.png@01D80622.06339C50"><image002.png></span>
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<b class="">Sent:</b> Monday, January 10, 2022 12:02 PM<br class="">
<b class="">To:</b> Azinger, Marla <<a href="mailto:Marla.Azinger@FTR.com" class="">Marla.Azinger@FTR.com</a>>; <a href="mailto:andrew.dul@quark.net" class="">andrew.dul@quark.net</a>; <a href="mailto:arin-consult@arin.net" class="">arin-consult@arin.net</a><br class="">
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</div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p class=""> </o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" class="">Not sure that’s low-hanging fruit, tbh. Besides MERLIN, I still have voting rights for … 3? local ISPs, who are all aware of that and OK with that. In any other arena, that’s just holding a proxy vote, which is not
a big deal.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" class="">What sort of problems have you seen in this area (that I obviously haven’t)?<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" class="">-Adam<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></p>
<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><b class=""><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#44546A;background:white" class="">Adam Thompson</span></b><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:9.0pt;color:#44546A;background:white" class=""><br class="">
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<b class="">On Behalf Of </b>Azinger, Marla<br class="">
<b class="">Sent:</b> Monday, January 10, 2022 1:53 PM<br class="">
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</div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal">All of this is gaming no matter how you slice it. <o:p class=""></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p class=""> </o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal">Silly me. I looked at the title and thought efforts were under way to stop one person from casting votes for companies they don’t actually work for but I didn’t read that in the write up. I would have thought we’d start there… if anything
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">Marla Azinger | SPVR, IP Management<o:p class=""></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal">O 585-413-9128 | <a href="mailto:marla.azinger@ftr.com" class=""><span style="color:#0563C1" class="">marla.azinger@ftr.com</span></a><o:p class=""></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span id="cid:image006.png@01D80622.06339C50"><image006.png></span><span id="cid:image007.png@01D80622.06339C50"><image007.png></span><span id="cid:image008.png@01D80622.06339C50"><image008.png></span> <span id="cid:image009.png@01D80622.06339C50"><image009.png></span> <span style="color:#E74C3C" class=""><a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__http:/www.frontier.com__;!!M2UytebrhrTR!c2ZEjGLTpLzzB0NcqRhddq0ebLp4mUbzhD5ajlW6BmGWGO6t7IJUsP104CKB559o$" class=""><span style="color:#0563C1" class="">www.frontier.com</span></a></span><o:p class=""></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p class=""> </o:p></p>
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<b class="">Sent:</b> Monday, January 10, 2022 11:40 AM<br class="">
<b class="">To:</b> <a href="mailto:arin-consult@arin.net" class="">arin-consult@arin.net</a><br class="">
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">Perhaps a simple question, but "how" will the current board insure that future board(s) do not capriciously change the election mechanisms in the future?
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">Making the changes to the "election process" subject to a majority vote of the membership and having that right inserted into the bylaws might be one method...<o:p class=""></o:p></p>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">On 1/7/2022 10:31 AM, Peter Harrison wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></p>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">As stated before, it is the Board's fiduciary responsibility to ensure that a change of this magnitude is equitable and not vulnerable to capricious change. We will act appropriately based on this feedback.<o:p class=""></o:p></p>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-CA" class="">Peter, I don’t have a problem with STV. I do have a problem with the board having the latitude – unfettered – to keep changing voting systems without further
bylaw amendments. The type of voting structure, particularly when deviating from the norm that’s baked into Virginia law, should then be baked into the bylaws so that it can’t change in the middle of the night, perhaps even during an election.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-CA" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-CA" class="">Do I trust the current board to not pull stuff like that? Yeah, probably, I think... (In fact, can I even name the current board members? No. But that’s a
different problem.) Am I willing to blindly trust every future board that might exist? Absolutely not. I’ve seen how boards can be co-opted, infiltrated, and/or “turned to the dark side” (so to speak) elsewhere.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-CA" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-CA" class="">As far as the consultation’s goal to determine whether STV is OK or not? Yes, it is good. This is an excellent move overall.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-CA" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-CA" class="">-Adam<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-CA" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b class=""><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#44546A;background:white" class="">Adam Thompson</span></b><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:9.0pt;color:#44546A;background:white" class=""><br class="">
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<b class="">On Behalf Of </b>Peter Harrison<br class="">
<b class="">Sent:</b> Friday, January 7, 2022 11:53 AM<br class="">
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<span lang="EN-CA" style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">With STV there are many ways to re-allocate votes, and new ones may be invented. The videos presented previously illustrated one method. </span><span lang="EN-CA" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-CA" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;" class=""><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">This link explains some of the options:
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ranked_voting#Comparison_of_ranked_voting_methods</a></span><span lang="EN-CA" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-CA" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;" class=""><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">We will need to balance the range of options with those provided by current and future vendors of ARIN’s voting systems. Investigations are being
made by staff and they will make recommendations to the board based on their research into our needs, best practices, practicability, relative merit, legal implications and systems availability. </span><span lang="EN-CA" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-CA" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;" class=""><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">The purpose of the consultation is to get a sense of whether this is a good idea overall. The board will work hard to ensure that we are working
in the best interest of the members and the region they serve when evaluating the choices presented.</span><span lang="EN-CA" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-CA" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;" class=""><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">As John explained, the bylaw modification was made to accommodate multiple forms of voting that may be required in future. The concern that this
could lead to opportunistic changes to systems each election cycle is sound. We will investigate ways to ensure this does not happen with possible bylaw wording to meet these and other goals.</span><span lang="EN-CA" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-CA" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;" class=""><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">The Governance Working Group has worked very closely with both the executive team and staff on this consultation. Their support for a workable
solution and concern for the membership has been evident every step of the way. These consultations are the result of over two years of research and were not taken lightly. We will continue to work to maintain this excellent collaboration.</span><span lang="EN-CA" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-CA" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;" class=""><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">Thank you for your feedback.</span><span lang="EN-CA" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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