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On 30 Oct 2021, at 5:22 PM, Owen DeLong <<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com" class="">owen@delong.com</a>> wrote:.
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Presently it is only general members that are allowed to make nominations or support petitions - we have bylaw language that makes it so, and those who want to participate in ARIN governance should avail themselves of the ability to become general members –
doubly so if they believe that may wish to make a nomination or participate in a petition. </div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div><div>The point of my statement above is that I believe this should change if we are to proceed with the current proposed bylaw update.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>I’m well aware of the present rules, but you (and the board) have proposed changes to those rules. If we are to adopt them, then</div><div>it is my opinion that eligibility to make nominations and sign petitions should be expanded as a safety valve against some of the</div><div>likely (hopefully unintended) consequences that I foresee from the proposed change.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>So, yes, your description of the current rules is accurate, but since what we are talking about in this thread is a proposal to</div><div>change those rules, I’m proposing additional changes that I think are necessary to make the proposal a little less unpalatable.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>Specifically, I propose that if we are going to make this change, we should:</div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>1.<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Allow ANY validated person POC from ANY member organization to submit a nomination.</div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>2.<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Allow ANY validated person POC from ANY member organization to act as signatory to a petition.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>If we adopt those two changes (which I would, frankly, support with or without the current proposal), then to preserve</div><div>the integrity of the petition process, we should further require the signatories to be different individuals from different</div><div>organizations.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>I would further support setting the petition threshold at a (lower) fixed number and eliminating the percentage requirement.</div><div>As a straw-man, I propose 30, but I would be open to a number as high as 75 or as low as 20.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>Under the current (and under the boards proposal), the threshold to get a nomination by petition is currently higher than</div><div>the sum of the thresholds required to move a policy from zero to a request for board ratification (10 to get draft policy</div><div>status, 15 to get recommended draft status, 20 to get to last call and then 25 to get to the board for a total of 70</div><div>required signatures from zero to last call, and each required group may include members of the prior group).</div><div><br class=""></div><div>Since we’re talking about a petition to be allowed onto the slate of candidates, not a petition to be seated in an</div><div>elected body, I really don’t seen a need to limit participation so narrowly.</div></div><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">
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I still think that the petition threshold is higher than it should be. Frankly, I’d be fine with a flat 30 signatories</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class="">
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<div class="">We cannot penalize organizations that happen to have the same individual as voting contact (by not allowing their ballot to be counted as support of a petitioner), so it would be more useful to understand the lowest reasonable petition threshold under
such circumstances – do you feel that the value 100 as specified in the proposed bylaw change is too high?</div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>Nor would I want to. I believe I have clarified my intent above in a way that should obviate this concern.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>Owen</div><div><br class=""></div></body></html>