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<div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"></span>You correct that ARIN’s fee schedule is not directly proportional, but rather geometrically… i.e. for everyone fourfold increase in IPv4 address space held, ARIN’s fees double. Note
that this still provides for a relatively modest starting point of $250/year [for a /24 IPv4, /40 (or /36 soon) of IPv6 space, and ASNs] and yet goes up over one hundred thousand dollars annually for organizations with the largest address holdings.</div>
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<div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"></span>(For the arguments in favor or opposed to straight linear fees [and a few other approaches that we set aside], one can review the original Fee Structure Review Panel Final Report here
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<div class="">On 11 May 2021, at 2:34 PM, Lokkak <<a href="mailto:risner@lokkak.com" class="">risner@lokkak.com</a>> wrote:</div>
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<p dir="auto" class="">To be clear, ARIN operates quite a few services (including publication of the registry via Whois and RADP, reverse DNS services, IRR and RPKI services) which benefits all customers even when customers are not making requests for changes
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<p dir="auto" class="">I entirely agree, there are a number of services. Most of those are directly related to the total number of IP addresses held.</p>
<p dir="auto" class="">My thinking is to not pick and choose, but there seems to be a disproportionatly higher portion of the costs placed on the smaller entities.<br class="">
As a thought experiment, I pulled a full BGP feed today, did some calculations to find the total number of routed IP addresses.<br class="">
If we use a theretical group of 200 entities classified as 3X-Small, they pay 167 times as much as the cost of the budget divided by the total routed space. See the photo for more detail and I’ll happily share the excel sheet if you wish to check my math.</p>
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<p dir="auto" class="">There may be some confusion here, since the proposed fee change does exactly what you ask above - it moves “legacy resource holders to the RSP Fee Schedule with the annual cap of total maintenance fees increasing $25 per year”
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<p dir="auto" class="">Apologies, I did a poor job with that message. I simply copied the proposed changes and put my thoughts below.</p>
<p dir="auto" class="">Put differently, the smaller you are the more your fees contribute to ARIN’s operating budget. It would be better if there was a flat fee (say $125) to be a member, and the remaining amount is based on your share of the adress space you
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<p dir="auto" class="">For me with as a 2X-Small, in my suggestion, I’d pay $125 + 1,024 / 4,007,931,638 (routed blocks) * $23,507,000 (budget) = $6.00 or $131.</p>
<p dir="auto" class="">I have my own reverse DNS (in-addr.arpa. points to my DNS), I’ve only made a couple requests in 4 years, and I’m not inclined to make material changes for the next 10 years. However, I’ll see my costs rise 300% in that decade on a resource
that will decrease in value (becoming more “retro computing”) at the same time.</p>
<p dir="auto" class="">This line of thinking is why I feel increasing the per change type fees (such as OrgCreate, OrgRecovery, and Transfer) is an excellent way of covering operating costs while minimizing costs for small entities with few IPs and rare support
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<p dir="auto" class="">On 10 May 2021, at 12:31, John Curran wrote:</p>
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On 10 May 2021, at 10:14 AM, Lokkak <<a href="mailto:risner@lokkak.com" class="">risner@lokkak.com</a>> wrote:
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<p dir="auto" class="">This is coming from a perspective of a legacy holder, with an ASN, but no IPv6 address and entirely no desire to obtain IPv6 addresses.</p>
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<div style="font-family: sans-serif;" class="">Thanks for the taking the time to respond to the consultation - your perspective is quite helpful.</div>
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<p dir="auto" class="">I have /22 of legacy address space, and I plan to maintain them until such time as they are no longer routable or simply niche of "retro-computing” routing.</p>
<p dir="auto" class="">I’ll examine the changes one by one, starting with the transition:<br class="">
<strong class="">Transitioning End Users from annual per-resource maintenance fees to the RSP (Registration Services Plan) Fee Schedule</strong><br class="">
I’d rather not have to migrate the the normal agreement. The included IPv6 Block Size has zero value to me. In 2017, my blocks were held with my ISP. I had to sign the LRSA 4.0 to move them into my control when that ISP closed. I don’t anticipate needing any
changes or insuring any additional resources of ARIN. So the yearly fee of $125 should handle the limited labor cost my registration has for ARIN.</p>
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<div class="">To be clear, ARIN operates quite a few services (including publication of the registry via Whois and RADP, reverse DNS services, IRR and RPKI services) which benefits all customers even when customers are not making requests for changes or additional
resources. After the extensive fee consultation that was held in 2014 and 2015, the decision was made to recover these costs in some proportion to the number resources held, as the benefit derived by those in the community is proportional to their resources
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<div class="">We could lower base fees and charge separately for services that are optional but reflect best practices (e.g. this includes not only IPv6, but IRR and RPKI) but that doesn’t comport with our mission to support and advance the operation of the
Internet - we’d effectively be creating a disincentive for network operator deployment of practices that many others simply consider good manners (e.g. MANRS - <a href="https://www.manrs.org/isps/" class="">https://www.manrs.org/isps/</a>) </div>
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<p dir="auto" class=""><strong class="">Transitioning Legacy resource holders from annual per-resource maintenance fees to the RSP Fee Schedule while maintaining the annual cap of total maintenance fees (which will increase $25 per year)</strong><br class="">
For me, the yearly increase in maintenance doesn’t offer me more value nor help reduce ARIN’s costs. The costs for provide my support is minimal. It seems to be assuming everyone is taking advantage of IPv6 resources and generating additional ARIN support requirements.</p>
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<p dir="auto" class=""><strong class="">Providing a temporary IPv6 fee waiver for organizations in the 3X-Small category that desire a larger address block</strong><br class="">
I’d rather see this feature removed and replaced with transitioning legacy resource holders to the RSP Fee Schedule with the annual cap of total maintenance fees increasing $25 per year. A pure legacy holder shouldn’t need to see fees increased, if they are
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<div style="white-space:normal" class="">There may be some confusion here, since the proposed fee change does exactly what you ask above - it moves “legacy resource holders to the RSP Fee Schedule with the annual cap of total maintenance fees increasing $25
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<div style="white-space:normal" class="">Note that this fee consultation results in no change for you, as you have /22 worth of direct allocations and an ASN, and would be invoiced today as an 2X-Small (at $500/year) if it were not for the legacy maintenance
fee cap. Because of the cap you are invoiced $125 per year, and in 2022, you will pay $150 (again with the cap increasing $25 per year until you are eventually paying the same as all other 2X-Small ARIN customers.</div>
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<p dir="auto" class=""><strong class="">Implementing a $100 fee for OrgCreate and OrgRecovery transactions</strong><br class="">
I believe this is an excellent way to recover costs of ARIN services for legacy holders.</p>
<p dir="auto" class=""><strong class="">Increasing the transfer processing fee to $500</strong><br class="">
This is also an excellent way to recover costs. I seem to remember in 2017, there was a great deal of effort on my part to effect the transfer. The $500 seems a good initial cost, but if that fee doesn’t cover the entire costs incurred by ARIN the fee should
be sufficient to cover the costs of the work.</p>
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<div class="">Acknowledged, and very helpful to hear. </div>
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