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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 03/05/2021 11:03 a.m., John Curran
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<div class="">On 3 May 2021, at 10:25 AM, Jeff Tchang <<a
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<div class="">I'm a 3x-Small organization (literally
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borrow Owen DeLong's terminology) chiming in.<br
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<div class="">I am also one of the smallest end users. I
obtained resources in 2016 and am a bit surprised how
quickly the fees are increasing (especially percentage
wise). As more people adopt IPv6 fees should decrease
due to scale but that doesn't seem to be happening
like with other services. The proposal to increase
fees on the smallest users results in a 150% increase
which is drastic in my opinion over such a short
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<div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"></span>You
raise an important issue as ARIN definitely wants to both keep
fees low as possible and encourage deployment of IPv6.</div>
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<div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"></span>For
an end-user organization that simply has an IPv4 address block
and no ASN or IPv6 block, it is true that their fees will
increase under the proposed change from $150 to $250 annually.</div>
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<div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"></span>However,
it’s worth noting that many organizations with IPv4 also have
IPv6 or an autonomous system number (ASN): organizations that
have either of these in addition to their IPv4 block will see
their annual registration services fee decrease from $300 to
$250 annually – this is the case for more than 2100
organizations under the proposed schedule. In addition, several
hundred smaller organizations have all three (IPv4, IPv6, and an
ASN) and wipe see their annual fee drop from $450 to $250.</div>
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<div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"></span>In
your case, there will be an increase under the proposed
schedule, but you will also be able to obtain an IPv6 block
and/or an ASN as a result of annual fee for the 3X-small
category. We hope this will actually help promote IPv6
deployment in smaller organizations going forward since there
will be no fee impact when an organization seeks a
correspondingly sized IPv6 block. </div>
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I think my previous suggestion of making the "ASN-only" category in
the proposed new fee structure a
"single resource only" category which would apply whether that
single
resource was an AS, a /24 of IPv4 or a /40 or smaller of IPv6 would
be the best way to address organizations like Jeff's.<br>
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There are probably a lot of very tiny organizations that need their
own /24 of IPv4 so they can go to a different ISP in future without
that ISP's availability of IPv4 space being an issue. <br>
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This would not necessarily dissuade these very tiny organizations
from implementing IPv6 as the lack of scarcity in IPv6 means they
could get IPv6 space anytime they are ready without a problem but
still not saddling them with higher fees in the meanwhile. In fact
it may not even be an obstacle to them implementing IPv6 now as they
may be fine with using provider assigned space for IPv6 and
renumbering the IPv6 side of their network in the event they change
ISPs in the future. (After all these are very small networks.)
Just they have to have their own IPv4 space because that is
something they may not be able to get from an ISP they move to in
the future at all and as small organizations it's not like they have
a lot of bargaining power when shopping for connectivity. (If an
ISP has enough space where they can only serve one of two
prospective customers they are generally going to choose the one
with the bigger monthly spend for bandwidth.)<br>
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In my case I made the choice to convert to the Registration Services
Plan and get my own IPv6 space now as it maximizes my flexibility as
part of a longer term plan. Some others may have different
priorities and possibly tighter budgets where the extra $100 a year
will make a difference to them so it would be important to not put
the squeeze on them.<br>
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Though the flip side I would like to point out to the other small
organizations when I was first looking at things prior to free pool
depletion the smallest Registration Services Plan was $1200 per year
whether you had a /22 or a /23 or a /24 so the implementation of the
2X-Small and 3X-Small as well as the price reduction for the X-Small
category was a vast improvement for organizations of our size. (I
somehow missed that there was the separate "end user" fee schedule
back then...as I said having one fee schedule will be less confusing
for new people.) When it was $1200 a year for the smallest category
I wouldn't have been able to afford it so as long as the categories
down to 3X-Small are maintained things are at least manageable. But
I would still be in favor of the "single resource only" category at
the $150/year level being made a thing so organizations like Jeff's
don't get hit so hard before they are ready to move up. Really the
important part of this move to consolidate everyone onto one fee
schedule is about some very large "end users" having arbitrarily
different fees from each other just because they are on different
fee schedules.<br>
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Glen A. Pearce
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Network Manager, Webmaster, Bookkeeper, Fashion Model and Shipping Clerk.
Very Eager 4 Tees
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ARIN Handle VET-17</pre>
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