<div dir="ltr"><span style="font-size:small;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">+1 on </span><span style="text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;font-size:12.8px;float:none;display:inline">"POC validation at time of orphaning"</span><div style="font-size:small;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><span style="font-size:12.8px;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline"><br></span></div><div style="font-size:small;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><span style="font-size:12.8px;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">What would the question be on the validation? </span></div><div style="font-size:small;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><ol><li>"Do you want to remain an orphan?"<br></li><li>"Who do you want as your new parent?"<br></li><li>"We're going to delete you, OK?"<br></li></ol></div>Some either/or combination of the above. 2 and 3 maybe?<div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><br><div>Peter</div></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Aug 6, 2018 at 8:44 AM, Owen DeLong <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com" target="_blank">owen@delong.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">+1<br>
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Owen<br>
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> On Aug 6, 2018, at 08:30, Joe Provo <<a href="mailto:jzp-arin-consult@rsuc.gweep.net">jzp-arin-consult@rsuc.gweep.<wbr>net</a>> wrote:<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> [personal hat on]<br>
> <br>
>> On Mon, Aug 06, 2018 at 07:37:54AM -0700, Owen DeLong wrote:<br>
>> [snip]<br>
>> It might be nice if it was sufficient to simply validate the POC<br>
>> ala current POC validation procedure rather than requiring some<br>
>> form of change, but if there???s some reason not to permit that,<br>
>> I???m not strongly tied to the idea.<br>
> <br>
> Allowing POC validation to de-orphan (until the next iteration)<br>
> nicely covers a number of smaller edge cases previously raised.<br>
> I think that's a big win for aliveness detection.<br>
> <br>
> Offhand, I'd lean to qtrly rather than 60 days as even the<br>
> larger iceberg orgs tend to be able to address things on that<br>
> timescale. Not super wedded to that detail.<br>
> <br>
> JC previously wrote:<br>
>> Of the 454,090 Org IDs that currently have one and only one <br>
>> reassignment, 81,480 (18%) are duplicates (i.e. share the exact <br>
>> same organization name with another of the 454,090). <br>
>> While there may be differences in street address, contacts, etc, <br>
>> this suggests an opportunity on the part of ISPs to examine their <br>
>> SWIP publication practices and cut down on duplicate records, <br>
>> which in turn reduces orphaned records.<br>
> <br>
> I would refer back to the entire discussion around "POC validation <br>
> on insert/creation" related to larger entities with poor practices.<br>
> As that's only 18% of the current problem, perhaps a symmetrical<br>
> process of "POC validation at time of orphaning" would be desirable<br>
> *after* this larger garbage collection process had run its course?<br>
> It seems to me that keeping the data hygiene part of the transaction<br>
> would increase the likelihood of success (attention is currently <br>
> here) else we'll be permanently relying upon garbage collection <br>
> sweeps and the possibility of having to re-engage well after <br>
> transactions have been completed and forgotten.<br>
> <br>
> Cheers!<br>
> <br>
> Joe<br>
> <br>
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> Joe Provo / Gweep / Earthling <br>
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