<div dir="ltr"><div>On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 7:16 PM John Curran <<a href="mailto:jcurran@arin.net">jcurran@arin.net</a>> wrote:</div><div>On 1 Aug 2018, at 2:44 PM, ARIN <<a href="mailto:info@arin.net">info@arin.net</a>> wrote:</div><div>| </div><div>| </div><div>| Q: Is there a way to keep an orphaned POC from being deleted?</div><div>| </div><div>| A: Yes. One of the criteria we are applying is not to remove any locked records. If you </div><div>| wish to prevent a record from being deleted, you may request that it be locked.</div><div><br></div><div>Can I lock and unlock the record through ARIN online?</div><div>If yes, can one of the linked accounts lock it and another linked account unlock it?</div><div>If the record is locked, is ARIN online still fully functional?</div><div><br></div><div>|</div><div>| Q: Can deleted records be restored?</div><div>|</div><div>| A: Not at this time. We have examined the work required to restore deleted records and </div><div>| determined that it would require significant effort to change the system to allow it. Keeping </div><div>| deleted records permanently deleted also serves as a security measure. When old records </div><div>| are restored, there’s a chance some of that old history could provide an attack vector. </div><div>| Creating a new record allows us to ensure that we are able to obtain the most current/accurate </div><div>| information. Note that there is likely no significant difference in the work required to establish </div><div>| a new set of records rather than restore old ones. Our current practice requires annual </div><div>| re-verification/vetting of Org records, so even if the record had been preserved rather than deleted, </div><div>| there's minimal difference in terms of what would be required from organizations. </div><div><br></div><div>Does this mean the amount of work a POC or Org would have to do is the same if the </div><div>POC or OrgID was restored as compared to creating a new record?</div><div><br></div><div>In what way will the new POC or OrgID differ from the deleted one?</div><div>Can it have the same POC handle? same Org Handle?</div><div>Do we just need to re-assert the contact info and re-link with web accounts?</div><div>Do we lose access to old tickets of that OrgID? or that POC?</div><div>Do we need to re-create new two factor auth and new API-Keys?</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Fri, Aug 3, 2018 at 10:42 AM John Curran <<a href="mailto:jcurran@arin.net">jcurran@arin.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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On 2 Aug 2018, at 9:30 AM, Stephen R. Middleton via ARIN-consult <<a href="mailto:arin-consult@arin.net" target="_blank">arin-consult@arin.net</a>> wrote:<br>
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[E] Re: [ARIN-consult] Consultation on Orphaned Organization (Org) and Point of Contact (POC) Records</b><br>
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<span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">I suspect that we are seeing an uptick in orphaned supporting records (Orgs and POCs) relating to the increase in ARIN Fees (account consolidations to reduce
costs) and the sale of IPv4 addresses where the total held assets are transferred. In both cases we are seeing consolidations and centralizations of resources creating more orphans.</span></div>
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<div>First, it is worth noting that difference between the 1 year and 2 year criterion is about when record would be considered orphaned, not with regard to the time that the record was created. That means we didn’t have 65k records created and then orphaned
in a single year. It means 65k more records of varying ages would be considered orphaned using the 1 year criterion.</div>
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Second, the 65k number is driven by the significant increase in specified recipient transfers. Any time we complete a specified recipient transfer, all reassignment records are removed from the network, and in some cases this can be an extremely large number
of reassignments being deleted. When a reassignment record is removed from the database, the associated Org ID and POCs are not deleted unless the upstream ISP conducts separate transactions to do so (which almost never happens). Applying a one-year threshold
today means that records that became orphaned in late 2016 and early 2017 are included in the total count, and that was definitely a period of heavy transfer activity. <br>
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An analysis of current data shows that of the 497,119 general use Org IDs with at least one reassignment in our database today (i.e. simple reassignments excluded), 91% have one and only one reassignment. Put simply, this means that when a reassignment is deleted
(very often due to a specified recipient transfer), there’s about a 91% chance it will result in orphaned Org and POC records. Of the 454,090 Org IDs that currently have one and only one reassignment, 81,480 (18%) are duplicates (i.e. share the exact same
organization name with another of the 454,090). While there may be differences in street address, contacts, etc, this suggests an opportunity on the part of ISPs to examine their SWIP publication practices and cut down on duplicate records, which in turn reduces
orphaned records.</div>
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<div>Hopefully this additional information will provide some insight into the present situation with orphaned records, and thus help advance the overall consultation discussion. </div>
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<div>Thanks!</div>
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<div>John Curran </div>
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