<div dir="ltr">Yes, some of those are very much expected. However, there have been approximately 1500 transfers in the last year, which is less than 3% of the abandon organization in the last year. So, something other than transfers accounts for the vast majority of abandoned organizations.<div><br></div><div>I suspect reallocations and reassignments, but that is just a guess. If those <span style="font-size:small;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">reallocations and reassignments were for a year or so and this is just annual churn, that's fine. However, if these <span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">reallocations and reassignments were short-term, like weeks or months, then maybe we need to change some policies. Worse yet if the <span style="font-size:small;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">organizations never had resources associated with them, then something seems broken somewhere. Maybe calling for even shorter-term garbage collection, like monthly. But, I wouldn't recommend going there without a better understanding of what and why this is happening.</span></span></span></div><div><br></div><div>Thanks.</div><div><br><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 8:30 AM, <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:stephen.r.middleton@verizon.com" target="_blank">stephen.r.middleton@verizon.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a name="m_-1729084521080461964__MailEndCompose"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Hello David,<u></u><u></u></span></a></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">I suspect that we are seeing an uptick in orphaned supporting records (Orgs and POCs) relating to the increase in ARIN Fees (account consolidations to reduce
costs) and the sale of IPv4 addresses where the total held assets are transferred. In both cases we are seeing consolidations and centralizations of resources creating more orphans.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">That said, I’m onboard with wanting to know the cause of the orphans. How many of the newly created 63K were direct recourse holders and how many were reassignments?
Of the former direct resource holders; how many became orphans through a transfer to specified recipient?
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> ARIN-consult [mailto:<a href="mailto:arin-consult-bounces@arin.net" target="_blank">arin-consult-bounces@<wbr>arin.net</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>David Farmer<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, August 01, 2018 6:11 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> ARIN <<a href="mailto:info@arin.net" target="_blank">info@arin.net</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <<a href="mailto:arin-consult@arin.net" target="_blank">arin-consult@arin.net</a>> <<a href="mailto:arin-consult@arin.net" target="_blank">arin-consult@arin.net</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [E] Re: [ARIN-consult] Consultation on Orphaned Organization (Org) and Point of Contact (POC) Records<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">63,455 organizations orphaned in the last year seems like a lot to me. Were these organizations ever associated with resources? How long ago were they created? How long were they associated with resources? How many of these organizations
were child organizations, from reallocations or reassignments? How many created by ARIN making allocations or assignments?<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">This cleanup should happen. However, it kind of sounds like something is broken somewhere too. If that is the case, that should get fixed too.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Aug 1, 2018 at 1:44 PM, ARIN <<a href="mailto:info@arin.net" target="_blank">info@arin.net</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">In an effort to improve the quality and integrity of the data in the<br>
ARIN database, we are exploring a number of new and improved processes<br>
and procedures. As part of this effort, we are proposing that ARIN<br>
establish a routine procedure for deleting and archiving orphaned<br>
Organization (Org) and Point of Contact (POC) records in the ARIN database.<br>
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We have defined an "orphaned Organization" as one that has no registered<br>
number resources. An "orphaned POC" is defined as one that is not<br>
directly associated with any number resources nor associated with any<br>
organization that has registered number resources.<br>
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There are several compelling reasons to consider deletion of orphaned<br>
Orgs and POCs. Long orphaned Orgs and POCS are likely to serve no<br>
purpose in the registry, they often contain outdated information, and<br>
their presence may expose personal data in a manner that may be<br>
inconsistent with ARIN's personal data privacy policy.<br>
(<a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.arin.net_privacy.html&d=DwMFaQ&c=udBTRvFvXC5Dhqg7UHpJlPps3mZ3LRxpb6__0PomBTQ&r=PNlZCOTcrBXvix6v31kntg680rC2tshHDXM0RcJv5bE&m=LFgJxgMS40VfZPs9tLL-aizJEVY9RPLkdZ9rMm7qbnM&s=Yq3mov8a1IhXpwkYAuduKiER8MwxDyFAllY059ixUW0&e=" target="_blank">https://www.arin.net/privacy.<wbr>html</a>)<br>
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An analysis of the ARIN registry for orphaned records has shown the<br>
following results:<br>
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Total # of registered Orgs in ARIN's database: 926,474<br>
Total # of Orgs that have been orphaned for 1+ years: 317,730<br>
Total # of Orgs that have been orphaned for 2+ years: 254,275<br>
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Total # of registered POCs in ARIN's database: 919,050<br>
Total # of POCs that have been orphaned for 1+ years: 351,644<br>
Total # of POCs that have been orphaned for 2+ years: 291,741<br>
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The proposed procedure would result in the deletion and archival of all<br>
Orgs and POCs that have been orphaned for 2 or more years. This<br>
procedure would be run on a quarterly basis initially, with the plan<br>
being to move to a more frequent basis (such as monthly) once there is<br>
operational experience. All orphaned data will be removed from the<br>
database and archived in perpetuity. Note that deleted unique Org and<br>
POC handles will not be re-utilized.<br>
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We are seeking community feedback on this proposed modification to<br>
current ARIN practices with regards to data maintenance.<br>
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This consultation will remain open for thirty (30) days, after which the<br>
staff will re-evaluate our direction based on any community feedback<br>
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