<div dir="ltr"><br>See inline;<div><br><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Mar 29, 2018 at 9:23 AM, Rob Seastrom <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:rs@seastrom.com" target="_blank">rs@seastrom.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><br>
> On Mar 29, 2018, at 5:44 AM, Job Snijders <<a href="mailto:job@ntt.net" target="_blank">job@ntt.net</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 04:33:22PM -0500, David Farmer wrote:<br>
>> On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 4:16 PM, ARIN <<a href="mailto:info@arin.net" target="_blank">info@arin.net</a>> wrote:<br>
>>> ...<br>
>>> Question:  Should ARIN automatically redirect user Whois queries made<br>
>>> via "http" to "https"?<br>
>><br>
>> No, ARIN should not automatically redirect Whois queries made via<br>
>> "http" to "https". Insecure Whois queries made via "http", need to be<br>
>> allowed.<br>
><br>
> Do you have any supporting arguments for your statement?<br></blockquote><br>That's a fair question and my answer to the question above was probably a little too terse.  I intended to not repeat what I had said in the thread regarding the original suggestion and I ended up proving just my answer insufficient justification for it. Rob summarizes my feelings on the subject well.  </div><div class="gmail_quote"><br></div><div class="gmail_quote">More below;</div><div class="gmail_quote"><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
Hi Job,<br>
<br>
I suppose I wouldn't have any problems with automatic redirects for anything that had a user-agent that looked like a modern browser.<br>
<br>
I did a cursory look and couldn't find the slide deck, but my recollection from a presentation by Mark Kosters is that there are a significant number of things hitting the REST interface that are not browsers; they may even outnumber the human visitors - and it's the same host, <a href="http://whois.arin.net" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">whois.arin.net</a>.<br>
<br>
Neither you nor I has any idea how well those clients will handle redirects and https.  One would earnestly hope that by and large folks are using standard libraries that will magically do the right thing, yet repeated experiences with password hash dumps wherein a homemade (and cryptographically poor) KDF has been employed shows that the DIY spirit is alive and well and I would not expect it to be any different here.<br>
<br>
So there's a balance of harms argument to be had: is forcibly encrypting traffic that has historically been of marginal privacy concern worth breaking client software in the field?  Bear in mind that if someone chooses to use https:// then things will be encrypted just fine; there is nothing forcing the client to be unencrypted when they'd rather be encrypted, and deploying HSTS will make modern browser users sticky to https://.<br>
<br>
I submit that David has articulated the right balance to strike and that redirects are a poor idea.  If we advertise for some number of years that we're sunsetting non-https access to whois (if events haven't been overtaken by RDAP at that point), then I'll probably feel differently about this.<br>
<br>
Note that I'm generally in favor of encryption.  In January 2015 I submitted an ACSP proposal asking for HSTS where practicable and in October 2015 I mentioned at the members' meeting that HSTS on the REST-Whois seemed to have been overlooked (see <a href="https://www.rwhois.net/vault/participate/meetings/reports/ARIN_36/mem_transcript.html" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.rwhois.net/vault/p<wbr>articipate/meetings/reports/AR<wbr>IN_36/mem_transcript.html</a> ).  I'm just not a fan of intentionally breaking things, even if they're crappy software, without a lot of forethought and deliberate intent.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div></div></div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><div><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">Upon reflection, and building on Rob's comments, I'm changing my answer, ARIN should <span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">adopt a goal of redirecting all "<span class="gmail-gr_ gmail-gr_190 gmail-gr-alert gmail-gr_spell gmail-gr_inline_cards gmail-gr_run_anim gmail-ContextualSpelling gmail-ins-del gmail-multiReplace" id="gmail-190" style="display:inline;border-bottom:2px solid transparent;background-repeat:no-repeat;color:inherit;font-size:inherit">http</span>" traffic to "https" for<span> </span></span><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);float:none;display:inline"><a href="http://whois.arin.net/" target="_blank" style="color:rgb(17,85,204)">whois.arin.net</a>. However, I don't think <span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">"</span><span class="gmail-gr_ gmail-gr_587 gmail-gr-alert gmail-gr_spell gmail-gr_inline_cards gmail-gr_run_anim gmail-ContextualSpelling gmail-ins-del gmail-multiReplace" id="gmail-587" style="color:inherit;font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:inherit;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;display:inline;border-bottom:2px solid transparent;background-repeat:no-repeat"><span class="gmail-gr_ gmail-gr_841 gmail-gr-alert gmail-gr_spell gmail-gr_inline_cards gmail-gr_run_anim gmail-ContextualSpelling gmail-ins-del gmail-multiReplace" id="gmail-841" style="display:inline;border-bottom:2px solid transparent;background-repeat:no-repeat;color:inherit;font-size:inherit">http</span></span><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">" access to </span><a href="http://whois.arin.net/" target="_blank" style="color:rgb(17,85,204);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px">whois.arin.net</a><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">, especially programmatic access to the <span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">Whois</span> REST API, should be <span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">precipitously <span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">terminated</span>. Therefore</span></span></span></span> a sufficiently generous sunset date needs to be given for the discontinuation of<span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline"> </span><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">"</span><span class="gmail-gr_ gmail-gr_587 gmail-gr-alert gmail-gr_spell gmail-gr_inline_cards gmail-gr_run_anim gmail-ContextualSpelling gmail-ins-del gmail-multiReplace" id="gmail-587" style="color:inherit;font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:inherit;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;display:inline;border-bottom:2px solid transparent;background-repeat:no-repeat"><span class="gmail-gr_ gmail-gr_841 gmail-gr-alert gmail-gr_spell gmail-gr_inline_cards gmail-gr_run_anim gmail-ContextualSpelling gmail-ins-del gmail-multiReplace" id="gmail-841" style="display:inline;border-bottom:2px solid transparent;background-repeat:no-repeat;color:inherit;font-size:inherit"><span class="gmail-gr_ gmail-gr_881 gmail-gr-alert gmail-gr_spell gmail-gr_inline_cards gmail-gr_run_anim gmail-ContextualSpelling gmail-ins-del gmail-multiReplace" id="gmail-881" style="display:inline;border-bottom:2px solid transparent;background-repeat:no-repeat;color:inherit;font-size:inherit">http</span></span></span><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">" access to </span><a href="http://whois.arin.net/" target="_blank" style="color:rgb(17,85,204);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px">whois.arin.net</a> and the <span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">redirecting all "<span class="gmail-gr_ gmail-gr_190 gmail-gr-alert gmail-gr_spell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eat;color:inherit;font-size:inherit">http</span></span></span></span></span><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">"<span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline"> version of </span><a href="http://whois.arin.net/" target="_blank" style="color:rgb(17,85,204);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px">whois.arin.net</a> needs to get to zero before it can be terminated<span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline"> either, but we need to understand and accept the potential damage caused by the event before it happens.</span></span></span></span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline"><br></span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">In the meantime providing HSTS policy and redirecting<span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline"></span><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);float:none;display:inline"></span> <span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">"</span><span class="gmail-gr_ gmail-gr_190 gmail-gr-alert gmail-gr_spell gmail-gr_inline_cards gmail-gr_run_anim gmail-ContextualSpelling gmail-ins-del gmail-multiReplace" id="gmail-190" style="color:inherit;font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:inherit;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;display:inline;border-bottom:2px solid transparent;background-repeat:no-repeat"><span class="gmail-gr_ gmail-gr_840 gmail-gr-alert gmail-gr_spell gmail-gr_inline_cards gmail-gr_run_anim gmail-ContextualSpelling gmail-ins-del gmail-multiReplace" id="gmail-840" style="display:inline;border-bottom:2px solid transparent;background-repeat:no-repeat;color:inherit;font-size:inherit"><span class="gmail-gr_ gmail-gr_1290 gmail-gr-alert gmail-gr_spell gmail-gr_inline_cards gmail-gr_disable_anim_appear gmail-ContextualSpelling gmail-ins-del gmail-multiReplace" id="gmail-1290" style="display:inline;border-bottom:2px solid transparent;background-repeat:no-repeat;color:inherit;font-size:inherit">http</span></span></span><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">" traffic for </span>most known browser user agents should begin ASAP.</span></div></div><div><br></div><div>Thanks</div><div><br></div>-- <br><div class="m_2358147170565503111gmail_signature">==============================<wbr>=================<br>David Farmer               <a href="mailto:Email%3Afarmer@umn.edu" target="_blank">Email:farmer@umn.edu</a><br>Networking & Telecommunication Services<br>Office of Information Technology<br>University of Minnesota   <br>2218 University Ave SE        Phone: <a href="tel:(612)%20626-0815" value="+16126260815" target="_blank">612-626-0815</a><br>Minneapolis, MN 55414-3029   Cell: <a href="tel:(612)%20812-9952" value="+16128129952" target="_blank">612-812-9952</a><br>==============================<wbr>=================</div>
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