<div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 3:19 PM, Job Snijders <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:job@ntt.net" target="_blank">job@ntt.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 04:06:28PM -0500, Jason Schiller wrote:<br>
> I am confused...<br>
><br>
> the current ARIN IRR is <a href="http://rr.arin.net" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">rr.arin.net</a><br>
<br>
ARIN manages an IRR database called "ARIN" in a daemon running on host<br>
<a href="http://rr.arin.net" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">rr.arin.net</a>. You can publish data from multiple databases via a single<br>
fqdn like '<a href="http://rr.arin.net" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">rr.arin.net</a>'. I think what David Farmer is talking about is<br>
the "source: ARIN" aspect of the data you show:<br>
<br>
$ whois -h <a href="http://rr.arin.net" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">rr.arin.net</a> <a href="http://199.43.0.0/24" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">199.43.0.0/24</a> | grep source<br>
source: ARIN # Filtered<br>
<br>
RIPE is developing something similar, where non-authoritative data will<br>
be marked with "source: RIPE-NONAUTH" rather than "source: RIPE" to show<br>
which objects came into existance because of the chain of trust from the<br>
RIR data to the IRR data, and some didn't.<br>
<br>
With an example from the ARIN IRR:<br>
<br>
job@vurt ~$ whois -h <a href="http://rr.arin.net" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">rr.arin.net</a> -- "-B <a href="http://192.0.2.0/24" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">192.0.2.0/24</a>" | egrep "route:|source:"<br>
route: <a href="http://192.0.2.0/24" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">192.0.2.0/24</a><br>
source: ARIN<br>
route: <a href="http://192.0.2.0/24" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">192.0.2.0/24</a><br>
source: ARIN<br>
<br>
<a href="http://192.0.2.0/24" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">192.0.2.0/24</a> is a Special Use IPv4 prefix (RFC 3330 / RFC 5735) and not<br>
owned by either of the organisations that created a route object for it<br>
in the ARIN IRR. It is crazy that there even are route objects for this<br>
prefix.<br>
<br>
In my opinion, IRR 'route:' objects covering prefixes like <a href="http://192.0.2.0/24" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">192.0.2.0/24</a><br>
should either be purged from the ARIN IRR - or should be clearly marked<br>
by changing the "source: ARIN" to "source: ARIN-OLD" (or perhaps "source:<br>
ARIN-NONAUTHORITATIVE-LEGACY-<wbr>GARBAGE" ;-))<br>
<br>
Kind regards,<br>
<br>
Job<br>
</blockquote></div><br><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial">Yep, that is what I was trying to get at. I didn't know if "-" was a valid character, since none of the current IRRs have a "-" in their source field. Therefore it was just easier to assume "-" wasn't valid.</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><br></div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial">But if "-" is valid then "ARIN-OLD" is what I really thought of first, but better yet is "ARIN-LEGACY" (and "<span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">ARIN-NONAUTHORITATIVE-LEGACY-</span><wbr style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">GARBAGE" is fine with me too;-)).</span></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div>And, then after a year or so all the <span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">"</span><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">ARIN-NONAUTHORITATIVE-LEGACY-</span><wbr style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">GARBAGE"<span> magically <span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">just</span> disappears. </span></span></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">Thanks.<br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature">===============================================<br>David Farmer <a href="mailto:Email%3Afarmer@umn.edu" target="_blank">Email:farmer@umn.edu</a><br>Networking & Telecommunication Services<br>Office of Information Technology<br>University of Minnesota <br>2218 University Ave SE Phone: 612-626-0815<br>Minneapolis, MN 55414-3029 Cell: 612-812-9952<br>===============================================</div>
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