<html><head></head><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:16px"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1497286483207_26153"><span></span><br></div><div class="qtdSeparateBR" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1497286483207_26152"><br></div><div class="yahoo_quoted" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1497286483207_26125" style="display: block;"> <div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1497286483207_26124"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1497286483207_26123"> <div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1497286483207_26151"> <font id="yui_3_16_0_1_1497286483207_26150" size="2" face="Arial"> <hr id="yui_3_16_0_1_1497286483207_26155" size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Mike Burns <mike@iptrading.com><br> <b id="yui_3_16_0_1_1497286483207_26161"><span style="font-weight: bold;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1497286483207_26160">To:</span></b> 'Lee Howard' <spiffnolee@yahoo.com>; 'William Herrin' <bill@herrin.us>; 'John Springer' <3johnl@gmail.com> <br><b id="yui_3_16_0_1_1497286483207_26159"><span style="font-weight: bold;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1497286483207_26158">Cc:</span></b> arin-consult@arin.net<br> <b id="yui_3_16_0_1_1497286483207_26157"><span style="font-weight: bold;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1497286483207_26156">Sent:</span></b> Friday, June 9, 2017 1:11 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> RE: [ARIN-consult] Reminder: Consultation on Increasing the size of the ARIN Board of Trustees<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1497286483207_26122"><br><div id="yiv0514902171"><style>#yiv0514902171 #yiv0514902171 --
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#yiv0514902171 </style><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1497286483207_26121"><div class="yiv0514902171WordSection1" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1497286483207_26120"><br><div class="yiv0514902171MsoNormal" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1497286483207_26141"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1497286483207_26140">> You most pointedly did not answer my questions, let me try them again.</span></div><div class="yiv0514902171MsoNormal" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1497286483207_26142"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;"> <br></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1497286483207_26261"><font face="times new roman, new york, times, serif">I didn't think they were good questions.</font></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1497286483207_26881"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1497286483207_26886"><br></div><div class="yiv0514902171MsoNormal" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1497286483207_26260"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1497286483207_26265">> Who is to be included in the preferred groups? </span></div><div class="yiv0514902171MsoNormal" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1497286483207_26208"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;"><br></span></div><div class="yiv0514902171MsoNormal" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1497286483207_26209"><font face="times new roman, new york, times, serif"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1497286483207_26268">What preferred groups? The current consultation is about increasing the Board size.</span></font></div><div class="yiv0514902171MsoNormal" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1497286483207_26897"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;"><br></span></div>><span style="font-size:11.0pt;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1497286483207_26177">>The members. Right now they prefer "rich white guys."</span><br clear="none"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1497286483207_26177"></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;"> <br></span><div class="yiv0514902171MsoNormal" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1497286483207_26313"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1497286483207_26965">> Sorry Lee, that is not the answer to my question. The “preferred groups” are the ones for whom a seat is reserved.</span></div><span style="font-size:11.0pt;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1497286483207_26354">> But your answer does beg the question of whether we should include the poor in the preferred groups?</span><div class="yiv0514902171MsoNormal" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1497286483207_26293"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1497286483207_26292">> My question relates to defining who belongs to what groups, after the groups themselves are chosen.</span></div><div class="yiv0514902171MsoNormal" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1497286483207_26309"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1497286483207_26308">> For example, any group you define really represents a spectrum, and where do we define the edges of that spectrum?</span></div><div class="yiv0514902171MsoNormal" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1497286483207_26311"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1497286483207_26310">> If it’s women, is a personal identification as a woman enough, or do we need blood tests like the Olympics?</span></div><div class="yiv0514902171MsoNormal" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1497286483207_26440"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1497286483207_26439">> If it’s homeland, do you have to be a citizen, or can you have a second-home in your “homeland”?</span></div><div class="yiv0514902171MsoNormal" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1497286483207_26356"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1497286483207_26355">> If it’s experience, who judges whether the experience meets the bar?</span></div><div class="yiv0514902171MsoNormal" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1497286483207_26357"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1497286483207_26358">> If it’s nationality, what about dual-nationals?</span></div><div class="yiv0514902171MsoNormal" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1497286483207_26438"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;"> <br></span></div><div class="yiv0514902171MsoNormal" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1497286483207_26360" dir="ltr"><font id="yui_3_16_0_1_1497286483207_27011" face="times new roman, new york, times, serif"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1497286483207_26359">These are fair questions to ask when considering reserved Board seats. However, any reasonable answer to them is fine. There are several ways to decide how to define them. If this is the direction ARIN went, it would not be the first organization to do so.<br></span></font></div><div class="yiv0514902171MsoNormal" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1497286483207_26361"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;"><br></span></div><br><div class="yiv0514902171MsoNormal" style="background:white;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1497286483207_26475"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1497286483207_26984">> Who verifies inclusion in the groups?</span><span style=""></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1497286483207_26493"><br clear="none">>> I'm making assumptions based on the group photo and bios of the Board on ARIN's site. John used to work for a large <br></span></div><div class="yiv0514902171MsoNormal" style="background:white;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1497286483207_26496"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1497286483207_26493">>> ISP, but that was a long time ago, and he is not elected.<br clear="none"><br clear="none"></span><span style=""></span></div><div class="yiv0514902171MsoNormal" style="background:white;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1497286483207_26491"><span style="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1497286483207_26490">> Sorry, Lee, making assumptions based on photos is not verifying inclusion. <br></span></div><div class="yiv0514902171MsoNormal" style="background:white;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1497286483207_26513"><span style="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1497286483207_26490"><br></span></div><div class="yiv0514902171MsoNormal" style="background:white;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1497286483207_26528"><span style="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1497286483207_26490"><font id="yui_3_16_0_1_1497286483207_27021" size="3" face="times new roman, new york, times, serif">Okay, I stretched the truth a bit. I know most of them well.</font><br></span></div><div class="yiv0514902171MsoNormal" style="background:white;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1497286483207_26529"><span style="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1497286483207_26490"><br></span></div><div class="yiv0514902171MsoNormal" style="background:white;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1497286483207_26530"><span style="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1497286483207_26490">> Is Caitlyn Jenner eligible for the woman’s seat? How long must a candidate live in the Caribbean before that <br></span></div><div class="yiv0514902171MsoNormal" style="background:white;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1497286483207_26531"><span style="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1497286483207_26490">> is his homeland? How do we verify if somebody is poor, or is black, or is physically challenged? Whose job <br></span></div><div class="yiv0514902171MsoNormal" style="background:white;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1497286483207_26541"><span style="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1497286483207_26490">> is this verification, when does it occur, and to whom can decisions be appealed, under what processes? </span></div><div class="yiv0514902171MsoNormal" style="background:white;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1497286483207_26492"><span style=""> </span></div><div class="yiv0514902171MsoNormal" style="background:white;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1497286483207_26551"><font id="yui_3_16_0_1_1497286483207_27066" face="times new roman, new york, times, serif">Again, these questions would need to be resolved if we pursued this, but the answers probably won't change my opinion.</font><br><span style=""> </span></div><div class="yiv0514902171MsoNormal" style="background:white;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1497286483207_26583"><span style=""></span><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1497286483207_26650"><span style="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1497286483207_26609">> Who among us can decide whether it’s more important that we have a representative from a large ISP or a <br></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1497286483207_26651"><span style="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1497286483207_26609">> representative with a vagina? Shouldn’t that be something left to each individual member to decide? Any <br></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1497286483207_26653"><span style="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1497286483207_26609">> further steps in this direction removes that ability from the voter and lodges it where? With whom? With the <br></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1497286483207_26669"><span style="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1497286483207_26609">> Board which we are assuming is hampered in its own decision-making due to the whiteness, maleness, or <br></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1497286483207_26670"><span style="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1497286483207_26609">> Canadian-ness of its members?</span></div><div class="yiv0514902171MsoNormal" style="background:white;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1497286483207_26663"><span style=""> <br></span></div><div class="yiv0514902171MsoNormal" style="background:white;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1497286483207_26714"><font id="yui_3_16_0_1_1497286483207_27074" face="times new roman, new york, times, serif"><span style="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1497286483207_26713">I pointed out earlier in this Community Consultation that generally, voting decisions are made individually. That is, one looks at the list of candidates and ranks them and votes for the top two. My perception, which could be wrong, is that people don't generally consider who would bring more breadth to the Board. Having six people with nearly identical experience leaves (or would leave) the Board without experience in other areas.<br></span></font></div><div class="yiv0514902171MsoNormal" style="background:white;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1497286483207_26771"><font face="times new roman, new york, times, serif"><span style=""><br></span></font></div><div class="yiv0514902171MsoNormal" style="background:white;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1497286483207_26871"><font id="yui_3_16_0_1_1497286483207_27076" face="times new roman, new york, times, serif"><span style="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1497286483207_27068">Simply adding seats probably doesn't change that, though.<br></span></font></div><font face="times new roman, new york, times, serif"><br></font></div></div></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1497286483207_26858"><font face="times new roman, new york, times, serif">Lee</font></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1497286483207_26857"><font face="times new roman, new york, times, serif"><br></font></div><br></div> </div> </div> </div></div></body></html>