<div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Mar 30, 2017 at 12:15 PM, John Curran <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jcurran@arin.net" target="_blank">jcurran@arin.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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On 30 Mar 2017, at 12:00 PM, William Herrin <<a href="mailto:bill@herrin.us" target="_blank">bill@herrin.us</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div>Does this answer your question, or did I miss it?<span class="gmail-m_-4270814810705342422m_-8640530994952341443gmail-"></span></div>
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<div class="gmail_extra">You answered part of it: as long as the POCs have been maintained with reachable email, phone and postal addresses, all is well.<br>
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<div class="gmail_extra">What happens if the POC falls out of date and line 5b (or 4b as it was on some versions) on the original registration was essentially a fictitious name which served as an alias for the individual making the registration? Cases where
the 5b name does not and never did exist as an independent legal entity? Or as Steven described, a like-named organization exists today but did not then and has no connection to the number resource?<br>
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They are the problematic cases, as we definitely do not want to deprive the original registrant</div>
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<div class="gmail_extra">In those situations, how does ARIN go about making the determination that the guy presenting himself is the guy who registered the resources, is in actual fact the registrant and has the authority to make updates?<br>
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<div>(Apologies for not getting into more detail, but by definition such information would provide a</div>
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</blockquote></div><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">Thanks John. You answered my underlying question which is that ARIN addresses and will continue to address these situations in the registrant's favor regardless of what happens with the CKN23-ARIN handle.<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">Regarding the question the consultation asks, I lean towards option 3, but I don't think it's appropriate to present an abuse POC that ARIN deems unvalidated. You're sorta signing people up for unsolicited email for which they don't necessarily have a simple way to opt out let alone opt in.<br>
</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">Regards,<br></div><div class="gmail_extra">Bill Herrin<br><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br>-- <br><div class="gmail_signature">William Herrin ................ <a href="mailto:herrin@dirtside.com" target="_blank">herrin@dirtside.com</a> <a href="mailto:bill@herrin.us" target="_blank">bill@herrin.us</a><br>Dirtside Systems ......... Web: <<a href="http://www.dirtside.com/" target="_blank">http://www.dirtside.com/</a>></div>
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