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On Sep 6, 2016, at 4:36 PM, Mike Burns <<a href="mailto:mike@iptrading.com" class="">mike@iptrading.com</a>> wrote:<br class="">
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<span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;" class="">Currently the recipient pays except for 8.4 transfers.</span></div>
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<span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">ARIN requests the transfer fee from SELLER before the transfer is sent to the recipient registry in those cases.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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<span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">For inbound 8.4 transfers, the ARIN recipient pays the ARIN fee.</span></div>
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<div>Mike - </div>
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This is correct, and the proposed transfer fee change would be make the fee process for</div>
<div>transfers within the region be consistent with transfers going out of region (i.e. the source</div>
<div>paying the transfer fee.)</div>
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<span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">For a /24 sold from ARIN to APNIC or vice versa, the transfer fees total $500 from ARIN and $161 from APNIC, or $661. In this case transfer fees represent a whopping $2.60 per address,
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<div>True, although the work required is substantially the same regardless of block size...</div>
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<span class="" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Considering that the number of small transfers is greater than large transfers, and in light of current ARIN reserve$, I suggest reducing the transfer fee for small blocks, or indexing
the fee to the transfer size in a way that maintains overall current transfer revenue numbers. </span><span class="" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p class=""> </o:p></span><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;" class="">John
says 1 in 4 transfers fail. I guess a substantial number are largish blocks that fail as a result of nefarious activity involved in claiming old blocks and selling them. The incentives for this behavior are less for small block sales. Can we get a breakdown
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<div>We may not be able to automatically generate such, but even so, we should be able to </div>
<div>manually assemble such data for review. I shall look into this and report back shortly. </div>
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<span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Ripe charges no transfer fee. APNIC charges a fee tied to the transfer size. LACNIC charges $200 upfront, and $1300 before the transfer completes. </span></div>
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While I do recognize the potential interest in fees charged in other regions, I must ask </div>
<div>that folks focus as much as possible on what fees they feel are appropriate for ARIN to </div>
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<span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">As part of the consideration about making the $500 upfront and non-refundable, are we able to discuss the transfer fee generally?</span></div>
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<div>Certainly! (If were to say otherwise, one could simply submit a suggestion to the ARIN </div>
<div>Consultation and Suggestion Process <<a href="https://www.arin.net/participate/acsp/acsp.html" class="">https://www.arin.net/participate/acsp/acsp.html</a>>,</div>
<div>which would result in another discussion thread on this mailing list; i.e. let us save time </div>
<div>and presume that the transfer fees in general are a fine topic for discussion here.) </div>
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<div>Thanks!</div>
<div>/John</div>
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<div>John Curran</div>
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