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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Hi Owen,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Section 7 is not about future justifications or “further ARIN services”. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>It is strictly about renouncing property rights and should refer to the rights to the Included Resources, which is what the agreement covers.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Why must the holder sign away all property rights to all resources now and in the future?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>What does that have to do with further ARIN services?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>The rest of the document is very clear on the services issue.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Mike<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Owen DeLong [mailto:owen@delong.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, August 17, 2015 4:59 PM<br><b>To:</b> Mike Burns <mike@iptrading.com><br><b>Cc:</b> John Curran <jcurran@arin.net>; arin-consult@arin.net<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [ARIN-consult] [arin-announce] Reminder: Consultation on Registration ServicesAgreement - MORE<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>I oppose Mike’s proposed modifications.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I think it is perfectly reasonable to use the desire for further ARIN services as a point for making it clear that<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>the existing resources are also part of that process.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>If you consider yourself reasonable and wish to disagree, then you are reasonably able to do without more<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>resources from this community.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Owen<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Aug 17, 2015, at 13:55 , Mike Burns <<a href="mailto:mike@iptrading.com">mike@iptrading.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Hi John,</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>I suggest changing the language in the proposed RSA section 7.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Delete sections (b) and (c) and rename section (d) as section (b).</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Change “accordance with Policy” to “accordance with the Policies” to match the language of other sections.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Section 7 would then read:</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Holder acknowledges and agrees that: (a) the Included Number Resources are not property (real, personal,</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>or intellectual) of Holder; and (b) Holder will transfer or receive Included Number Resources in accordance with the Policies.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Mike</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span class=apple-converted-space><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span></span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>John Curran [<a href="mailto:jcurran@arin.net">mailto:jcurran@arin.net</a>]<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><br><b>Sent:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Monday, August 17, 2015 4:37 PM<br><b>To:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Mike Burns <<a href="mailto:mike@iptrading.com">mike@iptrading.com</a>><br><b>Cc:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a href="mailto:arin-consult@arin.net">arin-consult@arin.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Re: [ARIN-consult] [arin-announce] Reminder: Consultation on Registration ServicesAgreement - MORE</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Aug 17, 2015, at 10:53 AM, Mike Burns <<a href="mailto:mike@iptrading.com"><span style='color:purple'>mike@iptrading.com</span></a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal> As noted, the proposed agreement includes changes to more specifically qualify two of <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal> the four statements in section 7 to apply to the particular resources (“Included number<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal> resources”)<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal> From your message, I would surmise that these changes to 7(a) and 7(d), in and of <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal> themselves, are not sufficient in your view to address the issue?<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>…<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>The result of the changes is a Trojan Horse for any legacy holder, IMO.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>The RSA comes in as if it were covering only specific access, and only upon deeper inspection does the signer realize he has given up all property rights, now and in the future, of all resources.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>I ask again, what is the legal purpose for the generality of those clauses (7b and 7c) in the context of an agreement covering a specific an defined set of number resources?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>And by context, I mean immediate literal context, where these clauses are bracketed by similar clauses which are not so general?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Mike - <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>The language in section 7 reflects ARIN’s existing RSA and LRSA agreements; the purpose<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>of the consultation is to gather feedback on a set of changes which have been suggested by<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>the community in the past and which ARIN is considering moving forward with.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>If you support ARIN moving to the new agreements (or not), it would helpful to make your<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>views known. If there are additional changes that you feel are necessary, please provide<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>some suggested language for those changes.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Thanks!<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>/John<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>John Curran<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>President and CEO<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>ARIN<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>_______________________________________________<br>ARIN-Consult<br>You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN Consult Mailing<br>List (<a href="mailto:ARIN-consult@arin.net">ARIN-consult@arin.net</a>).<br>Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at:<br><a href="http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-consult">http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-consult</a> Please contact the ARIN Member Services<br>Help Desk at <a href="mailto:info@arin.net">info@arin.net</a> if you experience any issues.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></body></html>