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<div class="PlainText">On Oct 11, 2014, at 2:05 PM, William Herrin <bill@herrin.us> wrote:<br>
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> On Sat, Oct 11, 2014 at 9:13 AM, John Curran <jcurran@arin.net> wrote:<br>
>> On Oct 11, 2014, at 12:00 AM, William Herrin <bill@herrin.us> wrote:<br>
>> The panel had no obligation to respond to each idea that was<br>
>> suggested for evolution of fees; they chose to work on set of<br>
>> proposals which they felt were of interest to the community<br>
>> and would aid discussion.<br>
> <br>
> Hi John,<br>
> <br>
> Apparently one that collected actual votes was of less interest to<br>
> them than their own pet theories. This disappoints me. What other<br>
> ideas were arbitrarily disregarded? Or do I have the pleasure of being<br>
> singly snubbed?<br>
<br>
Bill - <br>
<br>
I was probably unclear in my earlier reply - the panel's objective was to <br>
provide a starting set of proposals to aid the discussion; i.e. we are <br>
at the beginning of a discussion, and additional proposals are certainly <br>
welcome.<br>
<br>
> I propose that the first or single IPv6 allocation/assignment<br>
> requested and held by an organization not be considered during the fee<br>
> calculation, period. At all. In any way, shape or form. <br>
<br>
We do not readily have access to the assignment date for blocks in the <br>
billing information presently used, but such could be added if that is<br>
necessary.<br>
<br>
I was able to readily model if _all_ IPv6 holdings were not considered for <br>
purposes of billing, ARIN's revenues would be reduced by approximately<br>
$997,000 annually ($13.476M today vs $12.475M revised w/o IPv6 holdings) <br>
I have attached this model of ISP billing categorization when set only by <br>
IPv4 holdings (using the same format as proposals contained in the report) <br>
<br>
> ...<br>
<br>
> For now. Make it clear that when IPv6 overtakes IPv4, the fees will<br>
> change. If you're comfortable predicting it, state what those fees are<br>
> likely to become. But until IPv6 supercedes IPv4, support ARIN with<br>
> IPv4 fees where registrants' revenues and needs easily justify the<br>
> cost.<br>
<br>
Until such time as IPv4 address blocks are being actively returned by <br>
organizations (seeking to lower their fees), there is no impact to ARIN's <br>
receipts. After that point, ARIN's annual ISP billings drop from approx <br>
$12.5 million to zero as increasing number of IPv4 resources are returned. <br>
While costs are expected to be lower at that time, some billing adjustment <br>
would certainly be necessary.<br>
<br>
>> To be clear, the fees we are referring to are not "for an allocation",<br>
>> they are simply a share of ARIN's total costs recognizing the benefit<br>
>> to the community in having a registry for the region.<br>
> <br>
> The free pool is empty for some uses and will soon be empty for most.<br>
> Right now, today, stewarding IPv4 on behalf of the public is by far<br>
> the most important thing ARIN does. Everything else ARIN does today<br>
> finds priority at a distant, distant second. If you accept that<br>
> statement, how could it be -fair- to spread ARIN's cost based on some<br>
> other factor than the consumption of that scarce and valuable<br>
> resource?<br>
> <br>
<br>
> When the IPv4 free pool was still large, this was not the case.<br>
> Hopefully it won't be the case for IPv6 within my lifetime -- I don't<br>
> want to see the end of the IPv6 free pool. Nevertheless, while IPv4<br>
> remains the driver and its free pool remains gone, I can imagine no<br>
> fairer way to spread ARIN's cost than by registrants' consumption of<br>
> IPv4.<br>
<br>
The entire Internet community in the region benefits from having <br>
registry services and there are likely a very large number of <br>
fair and equitable approaches to distribution of costs.<br>
<br>
/John<br>
<br>
John Curran<br>
President and CEO<br>
ARIN<br>
<br>
=== ARIN-anon-orgs-FeeModels-ARIN2013-1-noIPv6.pdf<br>
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