From dianereno5 at comcast.net Wed Feb 1 09:34:16 2023 From: dianereno5 at comcast.net (dianereno5) Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2023 06:34:16 -0800 Subject: [ARIN-consult] Remove me from the list Message-ID: NEBlpz2BMvwvmNEBlpdzBA.1675262058.6838748e10b6098989cf44e5f7b2fb03.MISSINGID@comcast.net dianereno5 at comcast.net?Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From info at arin.net Thu Feb 9 15:00:28 2023 From: info at arin.net (ARIN) Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2023 15:00:28 -0500 Subject: [ARIN-consult] =?utf-8?q?Now_Closed_=E2=80=93_Consultation_on_Ex?= =?utf-8?q?panding_2FA_Options_for_ARIN_Online?= Message-ID: <73EC937E-5505-4EF1-B410-4B90B394EDEE@arin.net> ARIN thanks those who provided valuable feedback during this consultation on expanding two-factor authentication (2FA) options for ARIN Online. This feedback will be factored into the decision on the path forward regarding additional enhancements to ARIN?s 2FA options. Regards, John Curran President and CEO American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN) From info at arin.net Mon Feb 13 13:00:37 2023 From: info at arin.net (ARIN) Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2023 13:00:37 -0500 Subject: [ARIN-consult] Consultation on Offering ARIN Content in Multiple Languages Message-ID: <37221C17-C10E-4246-94F7-207FE22B4C4A@arin.net> ARIN is seeking feedback from the community on open suggestion ACSP 2022.10 (https://www.arin.net/participate/community/acsp/suggestions/2022/2022-10/) to provide announcements and policy documents, such as the Policy Development Process (PDP) and Number Resource Policy Manual (NRPM), in Spanish and French. The aim of the suggestion is to encourage greater participation and discussion from non-native English speaking members of our community. ARIN has investigated various options for implementing the suggestion to provide content in Spanish and French, including using translation service products and the necessary website setup and maintenance. We noted that ARIN lacks the ability to verify the accuracy of these products and discovered that there are publicly available tools that allow users to translate content as needed. In 2022 ARIN conducted a survey with our community on what was most important for ARIN to focus on providing. According to the results of the 2022 Prioritization Survey (https://www.arin.net/participate/community/community_surveys/surveys/2022prioritization/), the suggestion for multi-lingual versions of the PDP and NRPM received the lowest rating among all suggestions ranked. We are now gathering final input from the community on this specific issue: should ARIN provide multi-lingual support for these documents (recognizing the associated cost and limitations in verification of the translations), or instead direct users to generate their own translations as necessary? Please provide comments to arin-consult at arin.net. You can subscribe to this mailing list at https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-consult. Discussion on arin-consult at arin.net will close on 24 February 2023. ARIN seeks clear direction through community input, so your feedback is important. If you have any questions, please contact us at info at arin.net. Regards, John Curran President and CEO American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN) From bill at herrin.us Mon Feb 13 13:18:26 2023 From: bill at herrin.us (William Herrin) Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2023 10:18:26 -0800 Subject: [ARIN-consult] Consultation on Offering ARIN Content in Multiple Languages In-Reply-To: <37221C17-C10E-4246-94F7-207FE22B4C4A@arin.net> References: <37221C17-C10E-4246-94F7-207FE22B4C4A@arin.net> Message-ID: On Mon, Feb 13, 2023 at 10:00 AM ARIN wrote: > We are now gathering final input from the community on this specific > issue: should ARIN provide multi-lingual support for these documents > (recognizing the associated cost and limitations in verification of the > translations), or instead direct users to generate their own translations as necessary? They should be translated to English before attempting to translate them to Spanish or French. Right now they're written in Jargon. That's if they should be translated at all. Jargon has a purpose: it offers precise meanings where ordinary language would be fuzzy. Regards, Bill Herrin -- For hire. https://bill.herrin.us/resume/ From bill at herrin.us Mon Feb 13 13:26:50 2023 From: bill at herrin.us (William Herrin) Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2023 10:26:50 -0800 Subject: [ARIN-consult] [VOICE NETWORK #1670158] AutoReply: Re: Consultation on Offering ARIN Content in Multiple Languages In-Reply-To: References: <37221C17-C10E-4246-94F7-207FE22B4C4A@arin.net> Message-ID: Please remove questions at voicenetwork.ca from the arin-consult mailing list for inappropriately sending auto-replies to list messages. 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As e-mails are susceptible to alteration, Fibernetics Corporation shall not be liable for the message if altered, changed or falsified. -- For hire. https://bill.herrin.us/resume/ From scottleibrand at gmail.com Mon Feb 13 17:45:50 2023 From: scottleibrand at gmail.com (Scott Leibrand) Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2023 14:45:50 -0800 Subject: [ARIN-consult] Consultation on Offering ARIN Content in Multiple Languages In-Reply-To: <37221C17-C10E-4246-94F7-207FE22B4C4A@arin.net> References: <37221C17-C10E-4246-94F7-207FE22B4C4A@arin.net> Message-ID: In my experience working with multilingual PDPs in other RIRs, the overhead of providing official translations is probably not worth it for a region like ARIN's where participants in the vast majority of the region speak/read/write English as a primary or second language. Automated translation services are widely available and easy to use, but the overhead of resolving ambiguities and conflicts between documents in multiple languages create far more issues than having a single language be authoritative and translating as needed into other languages. The following translations were generated by Google Translate and checked by reversing the translation. / Las siguientes traducciones fueron generadas por Google Translate y verificadas invirtiendo la traducci?n. / Les traductions suivantes ont ?t? g?n?r?es par Google Translate et v?rifi?es en inversant la traduction. En espa?ol: En mi experiencia trabajando con PDP multiling?es en otros RIR, los gastos generales de proporcionar traducciones oficiales probablemente no valen la pena para una regi?n como la de ARIN, donde los participantes en la gran mayor?a de la regi?n hablan, leen y escriben ingl?s como idioma principal o como segundo idioma. Los servicios de traducci?n autom?tica est?n ampliamente disponibles y son f?ciles de usar, pero la sobrecarga de resolver ambig?edades y conflictos entre documentos en varios idiomas crea muchos m?s problemas que tener un solo idioma autorizado y traducir seg?n sea necesario a otros idiomas. En fran?ais: D'apr?s mon exp?rience de travail avec des PDP multilingues dans d'autres RIR, les frais g?n?raux li?s ? la fourniture de traductions officielles ne valent probablement pas la peine pour une r?gion comme celle d'ARIN, o? les participants de la grande majorit? de la r?gion parlent/lisent/?crivent l'anglais comme langue principale ou seconde. Les services de traduction automatique sont largement disponibles et faciles ? utiliser, mais les frais g?n?raux li?s ? la r?solution des ambigu?t?s et des conflits entre des documents dans plusieurs langues cr?ent bien plus de probl?mes que le fait qu'une seule langue fasse autorit? et traduise au besoin dans d'autres langues. -Scott On Mon, Feb 13, 2023 at 10:00 AM ARIN wrote: > ARIN is seeking feedback from the community on open suggestion ACSP > 2022.10 ( > https://www.arin.net/participate/community/acsp/suggestions/2022/2022-10/) > to provide announcements and policy documents, such as the Policy > Development Process (PDP) and Number Resource Policy Manual (NRPM), in > Spanish and French. The aim of the suggestion is to encourage greater > participation and discussion from non-native English speaking members of > our community. > > ARIN has investigated various options for implementing the suggestion to > provide content in Spanish and French, including using translation service > products and the necessary website setup and maintenance. We noted that > ARIN lacks the ability to verify the accuracy of these products and > discovered that there are publicly available tools that allow users to > translate content as needed. > > In 2022 ARIN conducted a survey with our community on what was most > important for ARIN to focus on providing. According to the results of the > 2022 Prioritization Survey ( > https://www.arin.net/participate/community/community_surveys/surveys/2022prioritization/), > the suggestion for multi-lingual versions of the PDP and NRPM received the > lowest rating among all suggestions ranked. > > We are now gathering final input from the community on this specific > issue: should ARIN provide multi-lingual support for these documents > (recognizing the associated cost and limitations in verification of the > translations), or instead direct users to generate their own translations > as necessary? > > Please provide comments to arin-consult at arin.net. You can subscribe to > this mailing list at https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-consult. > > Discussion on arin-consult at arin.net will close on 24 February 2023. 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URL: From gary.buhrmaster at gmail.com Mon Feb 13 22:17:40 2023 From: gary.buhrmaster at gmail.com (Gary Buhrmaster) Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2023 03:17:40 +0000 Subject: [ARIN-consult] Consultation on Offering ARIN Content in Multiple Languages In-Reply-To: <37221C17-C10E-4246-94F7-207FE22B4C4A@arin.net> References: <37221C17-C10E-4246-94F7-207FE22B4C4A@arin.net> Message-ID: On Mon, Feb 13, 2023 at 6:00 PM ARIN wrote: > > ARIN is seeking feedback from the community on open suggestion ACSP 2022.10 (https://www.arin.net/participate/community/acsp/suggestions/2022/2022-10/) to provide announcements and policy documents, such as the Policy Development Process (PDP) and Number Resource Policy Manual (NRPM), in Spanish and French. The aim of the suggestion is to encourage greater participation and discussion from non-native English speaking members of our community. > > ARIN has investigated various options for implementing the suggestion to provide content in Spanish and French, including using translation service products and the necessary website setup and maintenance. We noted that ARIN lacks the ability to verify the accuracy of these products and discovered that there are publicly available tools that allow users to translate content as needed. > > In 2022 ARIN conducted a survey with our community on what was most important for ARIN to focus on providing. According to the results of the 2022 Prioritization Survey (https://www.arin.net/participate/community/community_surveys/surveys/2022prioritization/), the suggestion for multi-lingual versions of the PDP and NRPM received the lowest rating among all suggestions ranked. > > We are now gathering final input from the community on this specific issue: should ARIN provide multi-lingual support for these documents (recognizing the associated cost and limitations in verification of the translations), or instead direct users to generate their own translations as necessary? I think it is far more important than the NRPM to be available in additional languages as to have a RSD that is able to directly communicate in the (primary) languages of their member organizations (English, Spanish, and French would probably be among the top group) when interactions are necessary. For better or worse, there is a long history of using English as the default official or fallback language of communications in certain technical fields. Translating technical (or as Mr. Herrin put it, jargon filled) documents to other languages is extremely difficult and problematic (there is not always a good translation into other languages). It is far better than the RSD to be able to directly (or via contractors) be able to provide their services in the langues the members use. From owen at delong.com Wed Feb 22 15:48:43 2023 From: owen at delong.com (Owen DeLong) Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2023 12:48:43 -0800 Subject: [ARIN-consult] Consultation on Offering ARIN Content in Multiple Languages In-Reply-To: References: <37221C17-C10E-4246-94F7-207FE22B4C4A@arin.net> Message-ID: > On Feb 13, 2023, at 19:17, Gary Buhrmaster wrote: > > On Mon, Feb 13, 2023 at 6:00 PM ARIN wrote: >> >> ARIN is seeking feedback from the community on open suggestion ACSP 2022.10 (https://www.arin.net/participate/community/acsp/suggestions/2022/2022-10/) to provide announcements and policy documents, such as the Policy Development Process (PDP) and Number Resource Policy Manual (NRPM), in Spanish and French. The aim of the suggestion is to encourage greater participation and discussion from non-native English speaking members of our community. >> >> ARIN has investigated various options for implementing the suggestion to provide content in Spanish and French, including using translation service products and the necessary website setup and maintenance. We noted that ARIN lacks the ability to verify the accuracy of these products and discovered that there are publicly available tools that allow users to translate content as needed. >> >> In 2022 ARIN conducted a survey with our community on what was most important for ARIN to focus on providing. According to the results of the 2022 Prioritization Survey (https://www.arin.net/participate/community/community_surveys/surveys/2022prioritization/), the suggestion for multi-lingual versions of the PDP and NRPM received the lowest rating among all suggestions ranked. >> >> We are now gathering final input from the community on this specific issue: should ARIN provide multi-lingual support for these documents (recognizing the associated cost and limitations in verification of the translations), or instead direct users to generate their own translations as necessary? > > I think it is far more important than the NRPM to be > available in additional languages as to have a RSD > that is able to directly communicate in the (primary) > languages of their member organizations (English, > Spanish, and French would probably be among the > top group) when interactions are necessary. I?m not sure staffing this is practical, but there are on-demand translation services that ARIN could subscribe to to enable this functionality. I would support such an action. Owen From matt at netfire.net Wed Feb 22 16:10:59 2023 From: matt at netfire.net (Matt Harris) Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2023 15:10:59 -0600 Subject: [ARIN-consult] Consultation on Offering ARIN Content in Multiple Languages In-Reply-To: References: <37221C17-C10E-4246-94F7-207FE22B4C4A@arin.net> Message-ID: On Wed, Feb 22, 2023 at 2:49 PM Owen DeLong via ARIN-consult < arin-consult at arin.net> wrote: > > I?m not sure staffing this is practical, but there are on-demand > translation services that ARIN could subscribe to to enable > this functionality. I would support such an action. > > Owen > I think it depends how many languages are targeted. Simply offering Spanish in addition to English via support channels is likely a low bar and not terribly challenging: hiring someone who is fluent in both English and Spanish in the Northern VA region and who is at least a little bit technical and comfortable in a customer service/support role isn't at all difficult, and many such high quality individuals exist in that talent pool. This is made even easier if hiring remote staff within the US is on the table. Adding support for French makes things a fair bit tougher without hiring outside of the US, and even more obscure languages, even more so. (I'm basing this on my experience hiring and working alongside multi-lingual folks in technology environments in the US, YMMV.) Take care, Matt Matt Harris VP OF INFRASTRUCTURE Follow us on LinkedIn! matt.harris at netfire.net 816-256-5446 www.netfire.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Typically the recurring invariant cost to those is reasonably low, but the usage fees (variable cost) is medium to high. Or vice-versa, but I think I'd rather optimize for lower invariant cost. I have a clue what full-scale multilingual operation costs, and I don't currently believe it would be viable at the current intersection of ARIN's mandate and the number of non-English-speaking clients. That's a very different number than the number of clients with a non-English native language: I'm only looking for "reasonable accommodation" here. -Adam ________________________________ From: ARIN-consult on behalf of Matt Harris Sent: February 22, 2023 3:10 PM To: Owen DeLong Cc: arin-consult at arin.net Subject: Re: [ARIN-consult] Consultation on Offering ARIN Content in Multiple Languages [cid:image826845.png at E603377C.A9A60EAF] Matt Harris? VP OF INFRASTRUCTURE Follow us on LinkedIn! [https://i.imgur.com/KhTz3zg.png] [cid:image727938.png at DC70C3E8.532F29C1] [cid:image892701.png at 03F34B04.1474A57B] matt.harris at netfire.net [cid:image761953.png at 84CA3029.61C2C7BC] 816-256-5446 [cid:image325801.png at 0C102F6A.CBCC1822] www.netfire.com On Wed, Feb 22, 2023 at 2:49 PM Owen DeLong via ARIN-consult > wrote: I?m not sure staffing this is practical, but there are on-demand translation services that ARIN could subscribe to to enable this functionality. I would support such an action. Owen I think it depends how many languages are targeted. Simply offering Spanish in addition to English via support channels is likely a low bar and not terribly challenging: hiring someone who is fluent in both English and Spanish in the Northern VA region and who is at least a little bit technical and comfortable in a customer service/support role isn't at all difficult, and many such high quality individuals exist in that talent pool. 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Regards, John Curran President and CEO American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN) From owen at delong.com Mon Feb 27 14:59:38 2023 From: owen at delong.com (Owen DeLong) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2023 11:59:38 -0800 Subject: [ARIN-consult] Consultation on Offering ARIN Content in Multiple Languages In-Reply-To: References: <37221C17-C10E-4246-94F7-207FE22B4C4A@arin.net> Message-ID: At the very least, this would involve Spanish and French, I suspect. Owen > On Feb 22, 2023, at 13:10, Matt Harris wrote: > > > Matt Harris? > VP OF INFRASTRUCTURE > Follow?us?on?LinkedIn! > > matt.harris at netfire.net > > 816-256-5446 > www.netfire.com On Wed, Feb 22, 2023 at 2:49 PM Owen DeLong via ARIN-consult > wrote: > > I?m not sure staffing this is practical, but there are on-demand > translation services that ARIN could subscribe to to enable > this functionality. I would support such an action. > > Owen > > I think it depends how many languages are targeted. Simply offering Spanish in addition to English via support channels is likely a low bar and not terribly challenging: hiring someone who is fluent in both English and Spanish in the Northern VA region and who is at least a little bit technical and comfortable in a customer service/support role isn't at all difficult, and many such high quality individuals exist in that talent pool. This is made even easier if hiring remote staff within the US is on the table. Adding support for French makes things a fair bit tougher without hiring outside of the US, and even more obscure languages, even more so. (I'm basing this on my experience hiring and working alongside multi-lingual folks in technology environments in the US, YMMV.) > > Take care, > Matt > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: