From info at arin.net Tue Mar 1 13:28:27 2022 From: info at arin.net (ARIN) Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2022 13:28:27 -0500 Subject: [ARIN-consult] ACSP Consultation 2022.2: Consultation on Elections and the Nomination Message-ID: <318C5D0F-E9F8-4577-A4F2-F1A815A4FCC3@arin.net> ARIN thanks those who provided valuable feedback during this consultation proposed improvements to ARIN?s Elections and the nomination process. This important feedback will be provided to the Board for their consideration. Regards, American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN) From info at arin.net Tue Mar 1 13:54:29 2022 From: info at arin.net (ARIN) Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2022 13:54:29 -0500 Subject: [ARIN-consult] Consultation on Increasing the Size of the ARIN Board of Trustees Message-ID: <4931F2C5-23E9-4490-BE33-82730AB1B14F@arin.net> The Board of Trustees maintains authority over the scope, mission, and along with the President and Chief Executive Officer establishes ARIN?s strategic direction and fiscal oversight. The Board also has oversight authority of the nomination, appointment, and election of individuals to Board committees and similar roles. Over the past two years, as part of its fiduciary duties, the ARIN Board of Trustees (?Board?) has undertaken a review of ARIN?s governance structures, including the size of the Board. As part of this effort, an independent, outside consultant was engaged to review ARIN?s governance structures and provide recommendations. One recommendation from this governance review is to increase the size of the Board to strengthen its capacity to provide strategic and fiscal oversight of ARIN. Increasing the Board size will: 1. Increase the range and depth of overlapping skills and governance experience on the Board to augment its capability. Specific areas for strengthening include cybersecurity, risk management, finance, legal, technology and strategic oversight. This will require more than 6 elected seats at the board table to provide this experience. 2. Increase diversity of thought on issues impacting the community, limit the possibility of board capture, and balance the time commitment required of our community volunteers. 3. Ensure sufficient board capacity to engage in more focused, efficient governance activities, including participation in these additional valuable committees (e.g. Governance, Risk & Cybersecurity, and Strategy & Foresight) to manage the work and oversight duties of the Board, and to take on work that is requested by, and important to, the community as it evolves. The budgetary impact will not be material, as the only increased costs would be for travel costs involved in attending in-person Board meetings. The number of Board members travelling to any RIR meeting would not change. Board Proposal ARIN will increase the number of elected voting seats of the Board from six to nine. The currently available appointed voting seat would be removed. The additional Board seats would be added in a staggered format with one additional seat for election in each of the upcoming election cycles starting with the 2022 election period. ARIN seeks community feedback on this proposed increase to the size of the Board. This consultation will remain open for 15 days. Please provide comments to arin-consult at arin.net. You can subscribe to this mailing list at: http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-consult. Discussion on arin-consult at arin.net will close on 15 March 2022. Regards, John Curran President and CEO American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN) From tedm at ipinc.net Tue Mar 1 16:06:25 2022 From: tedm at ipinc.net (Ted Mittelstaedt) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2022 13:06:25 -0800 Subject: [ARIN-consult] Fwd: [arin-announce] Consultation on Increasing the Size of the ARIN Board of Trustees In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yes, this sort of thing is all the rage today. It's a big fad. Predictably the phrase "Increase diversity of thought on issues impacting the community" was included as a poison pill. Anyone arguing against the idea is immediately labeled as being against the magic "diversity" word and thus a bigot and racist and so has lost the argument before they even make it. You might consider that a hired consultant who says "thank you for that fat check you gave me, the reality is you are doing nothing wrong and don't need any of my suggestions" is going to be viewed as a scammer at worst, and a stupid waste of money at best. Management consultants ALWAYS recommend changes. You could hire a consulting firm to study the most successful and profitable company in the world and they would find something wrong. Go ahead if you want. It just means that even less will get done since in general the more members on any sort of governing committee or team, the more conservative it is, and the harder it is to arrive at a consensus. https://hbr.org/2009/05/why-teams-dont-work In another decade the next consultant will recommend shrinking the board so it really doesn't matter what you do now. Ted Mittelstaedt -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: [arin-announce] Consultation on Increasing the Size of the ARIN Board of Trustees Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2022 13:54:35 -0500 From: ARIN To: arin-announce at arin.net The Board of Trustees maintains authority over the scope, mission, and along with the President and Chief Executive Officer establishes ARIN?s strategic direction and fiscal oversight. The Board also has oversight authority of the nomination, appointment, and election of individuals to Board committees and similar roles. Over the past two years, as part of its fiduciary duties, the ARIN Board of Trustees (?Board?) has undertaken a review of ARIN?s governance structures, including the size of the Board. As part of this effort, an independent, outside consultant was engaged to review ARIN?s governance structures and provide recommendations. One recommendation from this governance review is to increase the size of the Board to strengthen its capacity to provide strategic and fiscal oversight of ARIN. Increasing the Board size will: 1. Increase the range and depth of overlapping skills and governance experience on the Board to augment its capability. Specific areas for strengthening include cybersecurity, risk management, finance, legal, technology and strategic oversight. This will require more than 6 elected seats at the board table to provide this experience. 2. Increase diversity of thought on issues impacting the community, limit the possibility of board capture, and balance the time commitment required of our community volunteers. 3. Ensure sufficient board capacity to engage in more focused, efficient governance activities, including participation in these additional valuable committees (e.g. Governance, Risk & Cybersecurity, and Strategy & Foresight) to manage the work and oversight duties of the Board, and to take on work that is requested by, and important to, the community as it evolves. The budgetary impact will not be material, as the only increased costs would be for travel costs involved in attending in-person Board meetings. The number of Board members travelling to any RIR meeting would not change. Board Proposal ARIN will increase the number of elected voting seats of the Board from six to nine. The currently available appointed voting seat would be removed. The additional Board seats would be added in a staggered format with one additional seat for election in each of the upcoming election cycles starting with the 2022 election period. ARIN seeks community feedback on this proposed increase to the size of the Board. This consultation will remain open for 15 days. Please provide comments to arin-consult at arin.net. You can subscribe to this mailing list at: http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-consult. Discussion on arin-consult at arin.net will close on 15 March 2022. Regards, John Curran President and CEO American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN) _______________________________________________ ARIN-Announce You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN Announce Mailing List (ARIN-announce at arin.net). Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-announce Please contact info at arin.net if you experience any issues. From mike at iptrading.com Tue Mar 1 19:11:10 2022 From: mike at iptrading.com (Mike Burns) Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2022 19:11:10 -0500 Subject: [ARIN-consult] Fwd: [arin-announce] Consultation on Increasing the Size of the ARIN Board of Trustees In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <17f47f76757.11c2a8b0b795149.1496953713943551653@iptrading.com> Hi Ted, I appreciate your general feelings about diversity, but diversity of thought is really the significant factor. I don't think diversity of race, gender, sexual orientation, ethnicity, or any of that matters in decisions about the stewardship of numbers. But diversity of thought is different and I don't think superficial diversity is the desire here, although I concur it may have been in the past. In addition to diversity of thought, one of the reasons offered for this change was protection from board capture. Although you may be right about difficulties reaching consensual decisions with larger boards, and those difficulties making larger boards appear conservative, I find that as organizations grow larger they actually grow less conservative as a rule. We could argue that point. But the advantages gained by making board capture more difficult outweigh the disadvantages associated with slower decision-making. And advantages of true diversity of thought and relevant experience are even more important.? A board of only six members is very easy to capture and in the workings of the last NomCom I detected a real danger of that happening at ARIN. I take it at face value that the current and prior boards were honestly interested in reviewing ARIN governance and that this recommendation resonates with more than just a hired consultant but with the board members who commissioned the review.? I am not a fan of ARIN expanding its number stewardship responsibilities beyond what is minimally necessary. I am not a fan of the board making charitable donations or spending lots of money on items tangential to number stewardship but some of the issues mentioned below do intersect with those responsibilities. Included among these are cybersecurity, risk management, and legal issues associated with the registration of increasingly valuable resources. These are issues the earliest boards may not have had to deal with, but these have become important today, and likely there will be other issues that arise in the future. It makes sense with proliferating duties to have a larger board, and additionally the protection afforded against board capture lead me to support this increase in board size. Regards, Mike Burns ?? ---- On Tue, 01 Mar 2022 16:06:25 -0500 Ted Mittelstaedt wrote ---- Yes, this sort of thing is all the rage today. It's a big fad. Predictably the phrase "Increase diversity of thought on issues impacting the community" was included as a poison pill. Anyone arguing against the idea is immediately labeled as being against the magic "diversity" word and thus a bigot and racist and so has lost the argument before they even make it. You might consider that a hired consultant who says "thank you for that fat check you gave me, the reality is you are doing nothing wrong and don't need any of my suggestions" is going to be viewed as a scammer at worst, and a stupid waste of money at best. Management consultants ALWAYS recommend changes. You could hire a consulting firm to study the most successful and profitable company in the world and they would find something wrong. Go ahead if you want. It just means that even less will get done since in general the more members on any sort of governing committee or team, the more conservative it is, and the harder it is to arrive at a consensus. https://hbr.org/2009/05/why-teams-dont-work In another decade the next consultant will recommend shrinking the board so it really doesn't matter what you do now. Ted Mittelstaedt -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: [arin-announce] Consultation on Increasing the Size of the ARIN Board of Trustees Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2022 13:54:35 -0500 From: ARIN To: mailto:arin-announce at arin.net The Board of Trustees maintains authority over the scope, mission, and along with the President and Chief Executive Officer establishes ARIN?s strategic direction and fiscal oversight. The Board also has oversight authority of the nomination, appointment, and election of individuals to Board committees and similar roles. Over the past two years, as part of its fiduciary duties, the ARIN Board of Trustees (?Board?) has undertaken a review of ARIN?s governance structures, including the size of the Board. As part of this effort, an independent, outside consultant was engaged to review ARIN?s governance structures and provide recommendations. One recommendation from this governance review is to increase the size of the Board to strengthen its capacity to provide strategic and fiscal oversight of ARIN. Increasing the Board size will: 1. Increase the range and depth of overlapping skills and governance experience on the Board to augment its capability. Specific areas for strengthening include cybersecurity, risk management, finance, legal, technology and strategic oversight. This will require more than 6 elected seats at the board table to provide this experience. 2. Increase diversity of thought on issues impacting the community, limit the possibility of board capture, and balance the time commitment required of our community volunteers. 3. Ensure sufficient board capacity to engage in more focused, efficient governance activities, including participation in these additional valuable committees (e.g. Governance, Risk & Cybersecurity, and Strategy & Foresight) to manage the work and oversight duties of the Board, and to take on work that is requested by, and important to, the community as it evolves. The budgetary impact will not be material, as the only increased costs would be for travel costs involved in attending in-person Board meetings. The number of Board members travelling to any RIR meeting would not change. Board Proposal ARIN will increase the number of elected voting seats of the Board from six to nine. The currently available appointed voting seat would be removed. The additional Board seats would be added in a staggered format with one additional seat for election in each of the upcoming election cycles starting with the 2022 election period. ARIN seeks community feedback on this proposed increase to the size of the Board. This consultation will remain open for 15 days. Please provide comments to mailto:arin-consult at arin.net. You can subscribe to this mailing list at: http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-consult. Discussion on mailto:arin-consult at arin.net will close on 15 March 2022. Regards, John Curran President and CEO American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN) _______________________________________________ ARIN-Announce You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN Announce Mailing List (mailto:ARIN-announce at arin.net). 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URL: From vgcerf at gmail.com Tue Mar 1 20:15:26 2022 From: vgcerf at gmail.com (vinton cerf) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2022 20:15:26 -0500 Subject: [ARIN-consult] Fwd: [arin-announce] Consultation on Increasing the Size of the ARIN Board of Trustees In-Reply-To: <17f47f76757.11c2a8b0b795149.1496953713943551653@iptrading.com> References: <17f47f76757.11c2a8b0b795149.1496953713943551653@iptrading.com> Message-ID: diversity of perspective? v On Tue, Mar 1, 2022 at 7:11 PM Mike Burns wrote: > Hi Ted, > > I appreciate your general feelings about diversity, but diversity of > thought is really the significant factor. > I don't think diversity of race, gender, sexual orientation, ethnicity, or > any of that matters in decisions about the stewardship of numbers. > But diversity of thought is different and I don't think superficial > diversity is the desire here, although I concur it may have been in the > past. > > In addition to diversity of thought, one of the reasons offered for this > change was protection from board capture. > Although you may be right about difficulties reaching consensual decisions > with larger boards, and those difficulties making larger boards appear > conservative, I find that as organizations grow larger they actually grow > less conservative as a rule. We could argue that point. > > But the advantages gained by making board capture more difficult outweigh > the disadvantages associated with slower decision-making. > And advantages of true diversity of thought and relevant experience are > even more important. > > A board of only six members is very easy to capture and in the workings of > the last NomCom I detected a real danger of that happening at ARIN. > > I take it at face value that the current and prior boards were honestly > interested in reviewing ARIN governance and that this recommendation > resonates with more than just a hired consultant but with the board members > who commissioned the review. > > I am not a fan of ARIN expanding its number stewardship responsibilities > beyond what is minimally necessary. I am not a fan of the board making > charitable donations or spending lots of money on items tangential to > number stewardship but some of the issues mentioned below do intersect with > those responsibilities. Included among these are cybersecurity, risk > management, and legal issues associated with the registration of > increasingly valuable resources. These are issues the earliest boards may > not have had to deal with, but these have become important today, and > likely there will be other issues that arise in the future. > > It makes sense with proliferating duties to have a larger board, and > additionally the protection afforded against board capture lead me to > support this increase in board size. > > Regards, > Mike Burns > > > > > > ---- On Tue, 01 Mar 2022 16:06:25 -0500 *Ted Mittelstaedt >* wrote ---- > > Yes, this sort of thing is all the rage today. It's a big fad. > Predictably the phrase "Increase diversity of thought on issues > impacting the community" was included as a poison pill. > > Anyone arguing against the idea is immediately labeled as being against > the magic "diversity" word and thus a bigot and racist and so has lost > the argument before they even make it. > > You might consider that a hired consultant who says "thank you for that > fat check you gave me, the reality is you are doing nothing wrong and > don't need any of my suggestions" is going to be viewed as a scammer > at worst, and a stupid waste of money at best. Management consultants > ALWAYS recommend changes. You could hire a consulting firm to study > the most successful and profitable company in the world and they would > find something wrong. > > Go ahead if you want. It just means that even less will get done > since in general the more members on any sort of governing committee or > team, the more conservative it is, and the harder it is to arrive at > a consensus. > > https://hbr.org/2009/05/why-teams-dont-work > > In another decade the next consultant will recommend shrinking the board > so it really doesn't matter what you do now. > > Ted Mittelstaedt > > -------- Forwarded Message -------- > Subject: [arin-announce] Consultation on Increasing the Size of the ARIN > Board of Trustees > Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2022 13:54:35 -0500 > From: ARIN > To: arin-announce at arin.net > > The Board of Trustees maintains authority over the scope, mission, and > along with the President and Chief Executive Officer establishes ARIN?s > strategic direction and fiscal oversight. The Board also has oversight > authority of the nomination, appointment, and election of individuals to > Board committees and similar roles. > Over the past two years, as part of its fiduciary duties, the ARIN Board > of Trustees (?Board?) has undertaken a review of ARIN?s governance > structures, including the size of the Board. As part of this effort, an > independent, outside consultant was engaged to review ARIN?s governance > structures and provide recommendations. > One recommendation from this governance review is to increase the size > of the Board to strengthen its capacity to provide strategic and fiscal > oversight of ARIN. Increasing the Board size will: > 1. Increase the range and depth of overlapping skills and governance > experience on the Board to augment its capability. Specific areas for > strengthening include cybersecurity, risk management, finance, legal, > technology and strategic oversight. This will require more than 6 > elected seats at the board table to provide this experience. > > 2. Increase diversity of thought on issues impacting the community, > limit the possibility of board capture, and balance the time commitment > required of our community volunteers. > > 3. Ensure sufficient board capacity to engage in more focused, efficient > governance activities, including participation in these additional > valuable committees (e.g. Governance, Risk & Cybersecurity, and Strategy > & Foresight) to manage the work and oversight duties of the Board, and > to take on work that is requested by, and important to, the community as > it evolves. > > The budgetary impact will not be material, as the only increased costs > would be for travel costs involved in attending in-person Board > meetings. The number of Board members travelling to any RIR meeting > would not change. > > Board Proposal > > ARIN will increase the number of elected voting seats of the Board from > six to nine. The currently available appointed voting seat would be > removed. > > The additional Board seats would be added in a staggered format with one > additional seat for election in each of the upcoming election cycles > starting with the 2022 election period. > ARIN seeks community feedback on this proposed increase to the size of > the Board. This consultation will remain open for 15 days. > > Please provide comments to arin-consult at arin.net. You can subscribe to > this mailing list at: http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-consult. > > Discussion on arin-consult at arin.net will close on 15 March 2022. > > Regards, > > John Curran > President and CEO > American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN) > > > _______________________________________________ > ARIN-Announce > You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to > the ARIN Announce Mailing List (ARIN-announce at arin.net). > Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: > https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-announce > Please contact info at arin.net if you experience any issues. > _______________________________________________ > ARIN-Consult > You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN > Consult Mailing > List (ARIN-consult at arin.net). > Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: > https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-consult Please contact the > ARIN Member Services > Help Desk at info at arin.net if you experience any issues. > > > > _______________________________________________ > ARIN-Consult > You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN > Consult Mailing > List (ARIN-consult at arin.net). > Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: > https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-consult Please contact the > ARIN Member Services > Help Desk at info at arin.net if you experience any issues. > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From owen at delong.com Wed Mar 2 14:34:13 2022 From: owen at delong.com (Owen DeLong) Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2022 11:34:13 -0800 Subject: [ARIN-consult] Consultation on Increasing the Size of the ARIN Board of Trustees In-Reply-To: <4931F2C5-23E9-4490-BE33-82730AB1B14F@arin.net> References: <4931F2C5-23E9-4490-BE33-82730AB1B14F@arin.net> Message-ID: <62ED1C84-881E-4215-9362-B8ABE063C43E@delong.com> I support the proposal, but suggest one modification? Rather than have the board grow 6-7-8-9 over three years, I would suggest electing three new board members (for a total of 5 open seats in the next election) with the lowest vote count elected receiving a 1 year term and the next lowest a 2 year term. Owen > On Mar 1, 2022, at 10:54, ARIN wrote: > > ?The Board of Trustees maintains authority over the scope, mission, and along with the President and Chief Executive Officer establishes ARIN?s strategic direction and fiscal oversight. The Board also has oversight authority of the nomination, appointment, and election of individuals to Board committees and similar roles. > > Over the past two years, as part of its fiduciary duties, the ARIN Board of Trustees (?Board?) has undertaken a review of ARIN?s governance structures, including the size of the Board. As part of this effort, an independent, outside consultant was engaged to review ARIN?s governance structures and provide recommendations. > > One recommendation from this governance review is to increase the size of the Board to strengthen its capacity to provide strategic and fiscal oversight of ARIN. Increasing the Board size will: > > 1. Increase the range and depth of overlapping skills and governance experience on the Board to augment its capability. Specific areas for strengthening include cybersecurity, risk management, finance, legal, technology and strategic oversight. This will require more than 6 elected seats at the board table to provide this experience. > > 2. Increase diversity of thought on issues impacting the community, limit the possibility of board capture, and balance the time commitment required of our community volunteers. > > 3. Ensure sufficient board capacity to engage in more focused, efficient governance activities, including participation in these additional valuable committees (e.g. Governance, Risk & Cybersecurity, and Strategy & Foresight) to manage the work and oversight duties of the Board, and to take on work that is requested by, and important to, the community as it evolves. > > The budgetary impact will not be material, as the only increased costs would be for travel costs involved in attending in-person Board meetings. The number of Board members travelling to any RIR meeting would not change. > > Board Proposal > > ARIN will increase the number of elected voting seats of the Board from six to nine. The currently available appointed voting seat would be removed. > > The additional Board seats would be added in a staggered format with one additional seat for election in each of the upcoming election cycles starting with the 2022 election period. > ARIN seeks community feedback on this proposed increase to the size of the Board. This consultation will remain open for 15 days. > > Please provide comments to arin-consult at arin.net. You can subscribe to this mailing list at: http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-consult. > > Discussion on arin-consult at arin.net will close on 15 March 2022. > > Regards, > > John Curran > President and CEO > American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN) > > > > > _______________________________________________ > ARIN-Consult > You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN Consult Mailing > List (ARIN-consult at arin.net). > Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: > https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-consult Please contact the ARIN Member Services > Help Desk at info at arin.net if you experience any issues. From bzs at theworld.com Wed Mar 2 16:24:18 2022 From: bzs at theworld.com (bzs at theworld.com) Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2022 16:24:18 -0500 Subject: [ARIN-consult] Fwd: [arin-announce] Consultation on Increasing the Size of the ARIN Board of Trustees In-Reply-To: References: <17f47f76757.11c2a8b0b795149.1496953713943551653@iptrading.com> Message-ID: <25119.57474.122547.397177@gargle.gargle.HOWL> I'm sort of amazed that after at least 40+ years of diversity discussion and practices (obviously not limited to the networking sphere) we go right back to year zero on the issue of whether or not including members of varying race, gender, etc introduce diversity and are a good thing or not. One thing is certain, the net/email/lists seem to make people believe they are gods and if they wish to advocate whether or not the earth is flat well, it's their keyboard to bang on, no need for external reference, studies, thoughts from experienced professionals, etc. Why not type "the value of diversity in governance" and read through some of the hits. Or read one or two from respected sources, including retrospective findings of studies on the topic such as: https://corpgov.law.harvard.edu/2020/07/14/maximizing-the-benefits-of-board-diversity-lessons-learned-from-activist-investing/ or https://www.councilofnonprofits.org/tools-resources/diversity-nonprofit-boards etc. also maybe enter "diversity and governance" into Amazon's book search and consider some titles. > On Tue, Mar 1, 2022 at 7:11 PM Mike Burns wrote: > > Hi Ted, > > I appreciate your general feelings about diversity, but diversity of > thought is really the significant factor. > I don't think diversity of race, gender, sexual orientation, ethnicity, or > any of that matters in decisions about the stewardship of numbers. > But diversity of thought is different and I don't think superficial > diversity is the desire here, although I concur it may have been in the > past. > > In addition to diversity of thought, one of the reasons offered for this > change was protection from board capture. > Although you may be right about difficulties reaching consensual decisions > with larger boards, and those difficulties making larger boards appear > conservative, I find that as organizations grow larger they actually grow > less conservative as a rule. We could argue that point. > > But the advantages gained by making board capture more difficult outweigh > the disadvantages associated with slower decision-making. > And advantages of true diversity of thought and relevant experience are > even more important.? > > A board of only six members is very easy to capture and in the workings of > the last NomCom I detected a real danger of that happening at ARIN. > > I take it at face value that the current and prior boards were honestly > interested in reviewing ARIN governance and that this recommendation > resonates with more than just a hired consultant but with the board members > who commissioned the review.? > > I am not a fan of ARIN expanding its number stewardship responsibilities > beyond what is minimally necessary. I am not a fan of the board making > charitable donations or spending lots of money on items tangential to > number stewardship but some of the issues mentioned below do intersect with > those responsibilities. Included among these are cybersecurity, risk > management, and legal issues associated with the registration of > increasingly valuable resources. These are issues the earliest boards may > not have had to deal with, but these have become important today, and > likely there will be other issues that arise in the future. > > It makes sense with proliferating duties to have a larger board, and > additionally the protection afforded against board capture lead me to > support this increase in board size. > > Regards, > Mike Burns > ?? > > > > > ---- On Tue, 01 Mar 2022 16:06:25 -0500 Ted Mittelstaedt > wrote ---- > > > Yes, this sort of thing is all the rage today. It's a big fad. > Predictably the phrase "Increase diversity of thought on issues > impacting the community" was included as a poison pill. > > Anyone arguing against the idea is immediately labeled as being against > the magic "diversity" word and thus a bigot and racist and so has lost > the argument before they even make it. > > You might consider that a hired consultant who says "thank you for that > fat check you gave me, the reality is you are doing nothing wrong and > don't need any of my suggestions" is going to be viewed as a scammer > at worst, and a stupid waste of money at best. Management consultants > ALWAYS recommend changes. You could hire a consulting firm to study > the most successful and profitable company in the world and they would > find something wrong. > > Go ahead if you want. It just means that even less will get done > since in general the more members on any sort of governing committee or > team, the more conservative it is, and the harder it is to arrive at > a consensus. > > https://hbr.org/2009/05/why-teams-dont-work > > In another decade the next consultant will recommend shrinking the > board > so it really doesn't matter what you do now. > > Ted Mittelstaedt > > -------- Forwarded Message -------- > Subject: [arin-announce] Consultation on Increasing the Size of the > ARIN > Board of Trustees > Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2022 13:54:35 -0500 > From: ARIN > To: arin-announce at arin.net > > The Board of Trustees maintains authority over the scope, mission, and > along with the President and Chief Executive Officer establishes ARIN?s > strategic direction and fiscal oversight. The Board also has oversight > authority of the nomination, appointment, and election of individuals > to > Board committees and similar roles. > Over the past two years, as part of its fiduciary duties, the ARIN > Board > of Trustees (?Board?) has undertaken a review of ARIN?s governance > structures, including the size of the Board. As part of this effort, an > independent, outside consultant was engaged to review ARIN?s governance > structures and provide recommendations. > One recommendation from this governance review is to increase the size > of the Board to strengthen its capacity to provide strategic and fiscal > oversight of ARIN. Increasing the Board size will: > 1. Increase the range and depth of overlapping skills and governance > experience on the Board to augment its capability. Specific areas for > strengthening include cybersecurity, risk management, finance, legal, > technology and strategic oversight. This will require more than 6 > elected seats at the board table to provide this experience. > > 2. Increase diversity of thought on issues impacting the community, > limit the possibility of board capture, and balance the time commitment > required of our community volunteers. > > 3. Ensure sufficient board capacity to engage in more focused, > efficient > governance activities, including participation in these additional > valuable committees (e.g. Governance, Risk & Cybersecurity, and > Strategy > & Foresight) to manage the work and oversight duties of the Board, and > to take on work that is requested by, and important to, the community > as > it evolves. > > The budgetary impact will not be material, as the only increased costs > would be for travel costs involved in attending in-person Board > meetings. The number of Board members travelling to any RIR meeting > would not change. > > Board Proposal > > ARIN will increase the number of elected voting seats of the Board from > six to nine. The currently available appointed voting seat would be > removed. > > The additional Board seats would be added in a staggered format with > one > additional seat for election in each of the upcoming election cycles > starting with the 2022 election period. > ARIN seeks community feedback on this proposed increase to the size of > the Board. This consultation will remain open for 15 days. > > Please provide comments to arin-consult at arin.net. You can subscribe to > this mailing list at: http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/ > arin-consult. > > Discussion on arin-consult at arin.net will close on 15 March 2022. > > Regards, > > John Curran > President and CEO > American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN) > > > _______________________________________________ > ARIN-Announce > You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to > the ARIN Announce Mailing List (ARIN-announce at arin.net). > Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: > https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-announce > Please contact info at arin.net if you experience any issues. > _______________________________________________ > ARIN-Consult > You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN > Consult Mailing > List (ARIN-consult at arin.net). > Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: > https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-consult Please contact the > ARIN Member Services > Help Desk at info at arin.net if you experience any issues. > > > > _______________________________________________ > ARIN-Consult > You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN > Consult Mailing > List (ARIN-consult at arin.net). > Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: > https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-consult Please contact the > ARIN Member Services > Help Desk at info at arin.net if you experience any issues. > > _______________________________________________ > ARIN-Consult > You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN Consult Mailing > List (ARIN-consult at arin.net). > Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: > https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-consult Please contact the ARIN Member Services > Help Desk at info at arin.net if you experience any issues. -- -Barry Shein Software Tool & Die | bzs at TheWorld.com | http://www.TheWorld.com Purveyors to the Trade | Voice: +1 617-STD-WRLD | 800-THE-WRLD The World: Since 1989 | A Public Information Utility | *oo* From bartlett.morgan at gmail.com Wed Mar 2 17:28:18 2022 From: bartlett.morgan at gmail.com (Bartlett Morgan) Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2022 18:28:18 -0400 Subject: [ARIN-consult] Fwd: [arin-announce] Consultation on Increasing the Size of the ARIN Board of Trustees In-Reply-To: <25119.57474.122547.397177@gargle.gargle.HOWL> References: <17f47f76757.11c2a8b0b795149.1496953713943551653@iptrading.com> <25119.57474.122547.397177@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Message-ID: Thank you for this. +1 I am *almost* shocked that this is still a conversation. On Wed, Mar 2, 2022 at 5:25 PM wrote: > > I'm sort of amazed that after at least 40+ years of diversity > discussion and practices (obviously not limited to the networking > sphere) we go right back to year zero on the issue of whether or not > including members of varying race, gender, etc introduce diversity and > are a good thing or not. > > One thing is certain, the net/email/lists seem to make people believe > they are gods and if they wish to advocate whether or not the earth is > flat well, it's their keyboard to bang on, no need for external > reference, studies, thoughts from experienced professionals, etc. > > Why not type "the value of diversity in governance" and read through > some of the hits. Or read one or two from respected sources, including > retrospective findings of studies on the topic such as: > > > https://corpgov.law.harvard.edu/2020/07/14/maximizing-the-benefits-of-board-diversity-lessons-learned-from-activist-investing/ > > or > > > https://www.councilofnonprofits.org/tools-resources/diversity-nonprofit-boards > > etc. > > also maybe enter "diversity and governance" into Amazon's book search > and consider some titles. > > > On Tue, Mar 1, 2022 at 7:11 PM Mike Burns wrote: > > > > Hi Ted, > > > > I appreciate your general feelings about diversity, but diversity of > > thought is really the significant factor. > > I don't think diversity of race, gender, sexual orientation, > ethnicity, or > > any of that matters in decisions about the stewardship of numbers. > > But diversity of thought is different and I don't think superficial > > diversity is the desire here, although I concur it may have been in > the > > past. > > > > In addition to diversity of thought, one of the reasons offered for > this > > change was protection from board capture. > > Although you may be right about difficulties reaching consensual > decisions > > with larger boards, and those difficulties making larger boards > appear > > conservative, I find that as organizations grow larger they > actually grow > > less conservative as a rule. We could argue that point. > > > > But the advantages gained by making board capture more difficult > outweigh > > the disadvantages associated with slower decision-making. > > And advantages of true diversity of thought and relevant experience > are > > even more important. > > > > A board of only six members is very easy to capture and in the > workings of > > the last NomCom I detected a real danger of that happening at ARIN. > > > > I take it at face value that the current and prior boards were > honestly > > interested in reviewing ARIN governance and that this recommendation > > resonates with more than just a hired consultant but with the board > members > > who commissioned the review. > > > > I am not a fan of ARIN expanding its number stewardship > responsibilities > > beyond what is minimally necessary. I am not a fan of the board > making > > charitable donations or spending lots of money on items tangential > to > > number stewardship but some of the issues mentioned below do > intersect with > > those responsibilities. Included among these are cybersecurity, risk > > management, and legal issues associated with the registration of > > increasingly valuable resources. These are issues the earliest > boards may > > not have had to deal with, but these have become important today, > and > > likely there will be other issues that arise in the future. > > > > It makes sense with proliferating duties to have a larger board, and > > additionally the protection afforded against board capture lead me > to > > support this increase in board size. > > > > Regards, > > Mike Burns > > > > > > > > > > > > ---- On Tue, 01 Mar 2022 16:06:25 -0500 Ted Mittelstaedt < > tedm at ipinc.net> > > wrote ---- > > > > > > Yes, this sort of thing is all the rage today. It's a big fad. > > Predictably the phrase "Increase diversity of thought on issues > > impacting the community" was included as a poison pill. > > > > Anyone arguing against the idea is immediately labeled as being > against > > the magic "diversity" word and thus a bigot and racist and so > has lost > > the argument before they even make it. > > > > You might consider that a hired consultant who says "thank you > for that > > fat check you gave me, the reality is you are doing nothing > wrong and > > don't need any of my suggestions" is going to be viewed as a > scammer > > at worst, and a stupid waste of money at best. Management > consultants > > ALWAYS recommend changes. You could hire a consulting firm to > study > > the most successful and profitable company in the world and > they would > > find something wrong. > > > > Go ahead if you want. It just means that even less will get done > > since in general the more members on any sort of governing > committee or > > team, the more conservative it is, and the harder it is to > arrive at > > a consensus. > > > > https://hbr.org/2009/05/why-teams-dont-work > > > > In another decade the next consultant will recommend shrinking > the > > board > > so it really doesn't matter what you do now. > > > > Ted Mittelstaedt > > > > -------- Forwarded Message -------- > > Subject: [arin-announce] Consultation on Increasing the Size of > the > > ARIN > > Board of Trustees > > Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2022 13:54:35 -0500 > > From: ARIN > > To: arin-announce at arin.net > > > > The Board of Trustees maintains authority over the scope, > mission, and > > along with the President and Chief Executive Officer > establishes ARIN?s > > strategic direction and fiscal oversight. The Board also has > oversight > > authority of the nomination, appointment, and election of > individuals > > to > > Board committees and similar roles. > > Over the past two years, as part of its fiduciary duties, the > ARIN > > Board > > of Trustees (?Board?) has undertaken a review of ARIN?s > governance > > structures, including the size of the Board. As part of this > effort, an > > independent, outside consultant was engaged to review ARIN?s > governance > > structures and provide recommendations. > > One recommendation from this governance review is to increase > the size > > of the Board to strengthen its capacity to provide strategic > and fiscal > > oversight of ARIN. Increasing the Board size will: > > 1. Increase the range and depth of overlapping skills and > governance > > experience on the Board to augment its capability. Specific > areas for > > strengthening include cybersecurity, risk management, finance, > legal, > > technology and strategic oversight. This will require more than > 6 > > elected seats at the board table to provide this experience. > > > > 2. Increase diversity of thought on issues impacting the > community, > > limit the possibility of board capture, and balance the time > commitment > > required of our community volunteers. > > > > 3. Ensure sufficient board capacity to engage in more focused, > > efficient > > governance activities, including participation in these > additional > > valuable committees (e.g. Governance, Risk & Cybersecurity, and > > Strategy > > & Foresight) to manage the work and oversight duties of the > Board, and > > to take on work that is requested by, and important to, the > community > > as > > it evolves. > > > > The budgetary impact will not be material, as the only > increased costs > > would be for travel costs involved in attending in-person Board > > meetings. The number of Board members travelling to any RIR > meeting > > would not change. > > > > Board Proposal > > > > ARIN will increase the number of elected voting seats of the > Board from > > six to nine. The currently available appointed voting seat > would be > > removed. > > > > The additional Board seats would be added in a staggered format > with > > one > > additional seat for election in each of the upcoming election > cycles > > starting with the 2022 election period. > > ARIN seeks community feedback on this proposed increase to the > size of > > the Board. This consultation will remain open for 15 days. > > > > Please provide comments to arin-consult at arin.net. You can > subscribe to > > this mailing list at: http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/ > > arin-consult. > > > > Discussion on arin-consult at arin.net will close on 15 March > 2022. > > > > Regards, > > > > John Curran > > President and CEO > > American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN) > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > ARIN-Announce > > You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to > > the ARIN Announce Mailing List (ARIN-announce at arin.net). > > Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: > > https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-announce > > Please contact info at arin.net if you experience any issues. > > _______________________________________________ > > ARIN-Consult > > You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to > the ARIN > > Consult Mailing > > List (ARIN-consult at arin.net). > > Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: > > https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-consult Please > contact the > > ARIN Member Services > > Help Desk at info at arin.net if you experience any issues. > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > ARIN-Consult > > You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the > ARIN > > Consult Mailing > > List (ARIN-consult at arin.net). > > Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: > > https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-consult Please > contact the > > ARIN Member Services > > Help Desk at info at arin.net if you experience any issues. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > ARIN-Consult > > You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN > Consult Mailing > > List (ARIN-consult at arin.net). > > Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: > > https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-consult Please contact > the ARIN Member Services > > Help Desk at info at arin.net if you experience any issues. > > -- > -Barry Shein > > Software Tool & Die | bzs at TheWorld.com | > http://www.TheWorld.com > Purveyors to the Trade | Voice: +1 617-STD-WRLD | 800-THE-WRLD > The World: Since 1989 | A Public Information Utility | *oo* > _______________________________________________ > ARIN-Consult > You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN > Consult Mailing > List (ARIN-consult at arin.net). > Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: > https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-consult Please contact the > ARIN Member Services > Help Desk at info at arin.net if you experience any issues. > -- -- Kind regards, Bartlett D. Morgan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mike at iptrading.com Wed Mar 2 17:45:39 2022 From: mike at iptrading.com (Mike Burns) Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2022 17:45:39 -0500 Subject: [ARIN-consult] Fwd: [arin-announce] Consultation on Increasing the Size of the ARIN Board of Trustees In-Reply-To: <25119.57474.122547.397177@gargle.gargle.HOWL> References: <17f47f76757.11c2a8b0b 795149.1496953713943551653@iptrading.com> <25119.57474.122547.397177@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Message-ID: <025a01d82e87$3d86d9a0$b8948ce0$@iptrading.com> Diversity or lack thereof is not my particular concern, although I do favor diverse thinking, experience, and knowledge related to numbers stewardship and don't think that is necessarily bound to other measures of diversity. Rather, it is the preventing of board capture which particularly drives my support of the board expansion. I rather favor Owen's suggestion. Regards, Mike -----Original Message----- From: bzs at theworld.com Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2022 4:24 PM To: vinton cerf Cc: Mike Burns ; arin-consult Subject: Re: [ARIN-consult] Fwd: [arin-announce] Consultation on Increasing the Size of the ARIN Board of Trustees I'm sort of amazed that after at least 40+ years of diversity discussion and practices (obviously not limited to the networking sphere) we go right back to year zero on the issue of whether or not including members of varying race, gender, etc introduce diversity and are a good thing or not. One thing is certain, the net/email/lists seem to make people believe they are gods and if they wish to advocate whether or not the earth is flat well, it's their keyboard to bang on, no need for external reference, studies, thoughts from experienced professionals, etc. Why not type "the value of diversity in governance" and read through some of the hits. Or read one or two from respected sources, including retrospective findings of studies on the topic such as: https://corpgov.law.harvard.edu/2020/07/14/maximizing-the-benefits-of-board-diversity-lessons-learned-from-activist-investing/ or https://www.councilofnonprofits.org/tools-resources/diversity-nonprofit-boards etc. also maybe enter "diversity and governance" into Amazon's book search and consider some titles. > On Tue, Mar 1, 2022 at 7:11 PM Mike Burns wrote: > > Hi Ted, > > I appreciate your general feelings about diversity, but diversity of > thought is really the significant factor. > I don't think diversity of race, gender, sexual orientation, ethnicity, or > any of that matters in decisions about the stewardship of numbers. > But diversity of thought is different and I don't think superficial > diversity is the desire here, although I concur it may have been in the > past. > > In addition to diversity of thought, one of the reasons offered for this > change was protection from board capture. > Although you may be right about difficulties reaching consensual decisions > with larger boards, and those difficulties making larger boards appear > conservative, I find that as organizations grow larger they actually grow > less conservative as a rule. We could argue that point. > > But the advantages gained by making board capture more difficult outweigh > the disadvantages associated with slower decision-making. > And advantages of true diversity of thought and relevant experience are > even more important. > > A board of only six members is very easy to capture and in the workings of > the last NomCom I detected a real danger of that happening at ARIN. > > I take it at face value that the current and prior boards were honestly > interested in reviewing ARIN governance and that this recommendation > resonates with more than just a hired consultant but with the board members > who commissioned the review. > > I am not a fan of ARIN expanding its number stewardship responsibilities > beyond what is minimally necessary. I am not a fan of the board making > charitable donations or spending lots of money on items tangential to > number stewardship but some of the issues mentioned below do intersect with > those responsibilities. Included among these are cybersecurity, risk > management, and legal issues associated with the registration of > increasingly valuable resources. These are issues the earliest boards may > not have had to deal with, but these have become important today, and > likely there will be other issues that arise in the future. > > It makes sense with proliferating duties to have a larger board, and > additionally the protection afforded against board capture lead me to > support this increase in board size. > > Regards, > Mike Burns > > > > > > ---- On Tue, 01 Mar 2022 16:06:25 -0500 Ted Mittelstaedt > wrote ---- > > > Yes, this sort of thing is all the rage today. It's a big fad. > Predictably the phrase "Increase diversity of thought on issues > impacting the community" was included as a poison pill. > > Anyone arguing against the idea is immediately labeled as being against > the magic "diversity" word and thus a bigot and racist and so has lost > the argument before they even make it. > > You might consider that a hired consultant who says "thank you for that > fat check you gave me, the reality is you are doing nothing wrong and > don't need any of my suggestions" is going to be viewed as a scammer > at worst, and a stupid waste of money at best. Management consultants > ALWAYS recommend changes. You could hire a consulting firm to study > the most successful and profitable company in the world and they would > find something wrong. > > Go ahead if you want. It just means that even less will get done > since in general the more members on any sort of governing committee or > team, the more conservative it is, and the harder it is to arrive at > a consensus. > > https://hbr.org/2009/05/why-teams-dont-work > > In another decade the next consultant will recommend shrinking the > board > so it really doesn't matter what you do now. > > Ted Mittelstaedt > > -------- Forwarded Message -------- > Subject: [arin-announce] Consultation on Increasing the Size of the > ARIN > Board of Trustees > Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2022 13:54:35 -0500 > From: ARIN > To: arin-announce at arin.net > > The Board of Trustees maintains authority over the scope, mission, and > along with the President and Chief Executive Officer establishes ARIN?s > strategic direction and fiscal oversight. The Board also has oversight > authority of the nomination, appointment, and election of individuals > to > Board committees and similar roles. > Over the past two years, as part of its fiduciary duties, the ARIN > Board > of Trustees (?Board?) has undertaken a review of ARIN?s governance > structures, including the size of the Board. As part of this effort, an > independent, outside consultant was engaged to review ARIN?s governance > structures and provide recommendations. > One recommendation from this governance review is to increase the size > of the Board to strengthen its capacity to provide strategic and fiscal > oversight of ARIN. Increasing the Board size will: > 1. Increase the range and depth of overlapping skills and governance > experience on the Board to augment its capability. Specific areas for > strengthening include cybersecurity, risk management, finance, legal, > technology and strategic oversight. This will require more than 6 > elected seats at the board table to provide this experience. > > 2. Increase diversity of thought on issues impacting the community, > limit the possibility of board capture, and balance the time commitment > required of our community volunteers. > > 3. Ensure sufficient board capacity to engage in more focused, > efficient > governance activities, including participation in these additional > valuable committees (e.g. Governance, Risk & Cybersecurity, and > Strategy > & Foresight) to manage the work and oversight duties of the Board, and > to take on work that is requested by, and important to, the community > as > it evolves. > > The budgetary impact will not be material, as the only increased costs > would be for travel costs involved in attending in-person Board > meetings. The number of Board members travelling to any RIR meeting > would not change. > > Board Proposal > > ARIN will increase the number of elected voting seats of the Board from > six to nine. The currently available appointed voting seat would be > removed. > > The additional Board seats would be added in a staggered format with > one > additional seat for election in each of the upcoming election cycles > starting with the 2022 election period. > ARIN seeks community feedback on this proposed increase to the size of > the Board. This consultation will remain open for 15 days. > > Please provide comments to arin-consult at arin.net. You can subscribe to > this mailing list at: http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/ > arin-consult. > > Discussion on arin-consult at arin.net will close on 15 March 2022. > > Regards, > > John Curran > President and CEO > American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN) > > > _______________________________________________ > ARIN-Announce > You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to > the ARIN Announce Mailing List (ARIN-announce at arin.net). > Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: > https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-announce > Please contact info at arin.net if you experience any issues. > _______________________________________________ > ARIN-Consult > You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN > Consult Mailing > List (ARIN-consult at arin.net). > Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: > https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-consult Please contact the > ARIN Member Services > Help Desk at info at arin.net if you experience any issues. > > > > _______________________________________________ > ARIN-Consult > You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN > Consult Mailing > List (ARIN-consult at arin.net). > Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: > https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-consult Please contact the > ARIN Member Services > Help Desk at info at arin.net if you experience any issues. > > _______________________________________________ > ARIN-Consult > You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN Consult Mailing > List (ARIN-consult at arin.net). > Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: > https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-consult Please contact the ARIN Member Services > Help Desk at info at arin.net if you experience any issues. -- -Barry Shein Software Tool & Die | bzs at TheWorld.com | http://www.TheWorld.com Purveyors to the Trade | Voice: +1 617-STD-WRLD | 800-THE-WRLD The World: Since 1989 | A Public Information Utility | *oo* From Matthew.Wilder at telus.com Wed Mar 2 19:01:00 2022 From: Matthew.Wilder at telus.com (Matthew Wilder) Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2022 00:01:00 +0000 Subject: [ARIN-consult] Fwd: [arin-announce] Consultation on Increasing the Size of the ARIN Board of Trustees In-Reply-To: <025a01d82e87$3d86d9a0$b8948ce0$@iptrading.com> References: <17f47f76757.11c2a8b0b 795149.1496953713943551653@iptrading.com> <25119.57474.122547.397177@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <025a01d82e87$3d86d9a0$b8948ce0$@iptrading.com> Message-ID: <4d7fb3f898b34d0689504e0e7d84b9ef@BTWP000343.corp.ads> Speaking as a member of the community: 1) I am in favor of increasing the board to 9 elected seats. 2) I am in favor of staggering this growth over 3 election cycles as proposed, in order to provide time for the highest quality candidates to emerge. I do not believe the community would benefit from 5 out of 9 BoT seats effectively turning over in a single election cycle. Regards, Matthew Wilder -----Original Message----- From: ARIN-consult On Behalf Of Mike Burns Sent: March 2, 2022 02:46 PM To: bzs at theworld.com; 'vinton cerf' Cc: 'arin-consult' Subject: Re: [ARIN-consult] Fwd: [arin-announce] Consultation on Increasing the Size of the ARIN Board of Trustees Diversity or lack thereof is not my particular concern, although I do favor diverse thinking, experience, and knowledge related to numbers stewardship and don't think that is necessarily bound to other measures of diversity. Rather, it is the preventing of board capture which particularly drives my support of the board expansion. I rather favor Owen's suggestion. Regards, Mike -----Original Message----- From: bzs at theworld.com Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2022 4:24 PM To: vinton cerf Cc: Mike Burns ; arin-consult Subject: Re: [ARIN-consult] Fwd: [arin-announce] Consultation on Increasing the Size of the ARIN Board of Trustees I'm sort of amazed that after at least 40+ years of diversity discussion and practices (obviously not limited to the networking sphere) we go right back to year zero on the issue of whether or not including members of varying race, gender, etc introduce diversity and are a good thing or not. One thing is certain, the net/email/lists seem to make people believe they are gods and if they wish to advocate whether or not the earth is flat well, it's their keyboard to bang on, no need for external reference, studies, thoughts from experienced professionals, etc. Why not type "the value of diversity in governance" and read through some of the hits. Or read one or two from respected sources, including retrospective findings of studies on the topic such as: https://corpgov.law.harvard.edu/2020/07/14/maximizing-the-benefits-of-board-diversity-lessons-learned-from-activist-investing/ or https://www.councilofnonprofits.org/tools-resources/diversity-nonprofit-boards etc. also maybe enter "diversity and governance" into Amazon's book search and consider some titles. > On Tue, Mar 1, 2022 at 7:11 PM Mike Burns wrote: > > Hi Ted, > > I appreciate your general feelings about diversity, but diversity of > thought is really the significant factor. > I don't think diversity of race, gender, sexual orientation, ethnicity, or > any of that matters in decisions about the stewardship of numbers. > But diversity of thought is different and I don't think superficial > diversity is the desire here, although I concur it may have been in the > past. > > In addition to diversity of thought, one of the reasons offered for this > change was protection from board capture. > Although you may be right about difficulties reaching consensual decisions > with larger boards, and those difficulties making larger boards appear > conservative, I find that as organizations grow larger they actually grow > less conservative as a rule. We could argue that point. > > But the advantages gained by making board capture more difficult outweigh > the disadvantages associated with slower decision-making. > And advantages of true diversity of thought and relevant experience are > even more important. > > A board of only six members is very easy to capture and in the workings of > the last NomCom I detected a real danger of that happening at ARIN. > > I take it at face value that the current and prior boards were honestly > interested in reviewing ARIN governance and that this recommendation > resonates with more than just a hired consultant but with the board members > who commissioned the review. > > I am not a fan of ARIN expanding its number stewardship responsibilities > beyond what is minimally necessary. I am not a fan of the board making > charitable donations or spending lots of money on items tangential to > number stewardship but some of the issues mentioned below do intersect with > those responsibilities. Included among these are cybersecurity, risk > management, and legal issues associated with the registration of > increasingly valuable resources. These are issues the earliest boards may > not have had to deal with, but these have become important today, and > likely there will be other issues that arise in the future. > > It makes sense with proliferating duties to have a larger board, and > additionally the protection afforded against board capture lead me to > support this increase in board size. > > Regards, > Mike Burns > > > > > > ---- On Tue, 01 Mar 2022 16:06:25 -0500 Ted Mittelstaedt > wrote ---- > > > Yes, this sort of thing is all the rage today. It's a big fad. > Predictably the phrase "Increase diversity of thought on issues > impacting the community" was included as a poison pill. > > Anyone arguing against the idea is immediately labeled as being against > the magic "diversity" word and thus a bigot and racist and so has lost > the argument before they even make it. > > You might consider that a hired consultant who says "thank you for that > fat check you gave me, the reality is you are doing nothing wrong and > don't need any of my suggestions" is going to be viewed as a scammer > at worst, and a stupid waste of money at best. Management consultants > ALWAYS recommend changes. You could hire a consulting firm to study > the most successful and profitable company in the world and they would > find something wrong. > > Go ahead if you want. It just means that even less will get done > since in general the more members on any sort of governing committee or > team, the more conservative it is, and the harder it is to arrive at > a consensus. > > https://hbr.org/2009/05/why-teams-dont-work > > In another decade the next consultant will recommend shrinking the > board > so it really doesn't matter what you do now. > > Ted Mittelstaedt > > -------- Forwarded Message -------- > Subject: [arin-announce] Consultation on Increasing the Size of the > ARIN > Board of Trustees > Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2022 13:54:35 -0500 > From: ARIN > To: arin-announce at arin.net > > The Board of Trustees maintains authority over the scope, mission, and > along with the President and Chief Executive Officer establishes ARIN?s > strategic direction and fiscal oversight. The Board also has oversight > authority of the nomination, appointment, and election of individuals > to > Board committees and similar roles. > Over the past two years, as part of its fiduciary duties, the ARIN > Board > of Trustees (?Board?) has undertaken a review of ARIN?s governance > structures, including the size of the Board. As part of this effort, an > independent, outside consultant was engaged to review ARIN?s governance > structures and provide recommendations. > One recommendation from this governance review is to increase the size > of the Board to strengthen its capacity to provide strategic and fiscal > oversight of ARIN. Increasing the Board size will: > 1. Increase the range and depth of overlapping skills and governance > experience on the Board to augment its capability. Specific areas for > strengthening include cybersecurity, risk management, finance, legal, > technology and strategic oversight. This will require more than 6 > elected seats at the board table to provide this experience. > > 2. Increase diversity of thought on issues impacting the community, > limit the possibility of board capture, and balance the time commitment > required of our community volunteers. > > 3. Ensure sufficient board capacity to engage in more focused, > efficient > governance activities, including participation in these additional > valuable committees (e.g. Governance, Risk & Cybersecurity, and > Strategy > & Foresight) to manage the work and oversight duties of the Board, and > to take on work that is requested by, and important to, the community > as > it evolves. > > The budgetary impact will not be material, as the only increased costs > would be for travel costs involved in attending in-person Board > meetings. The number of Board members travelling to any RIR meeting > would not change. > > Board Proposal > > ARIN will increase the number of elected voting seats of the Board from > six to nine. The currently available appointed voting seat would be > removed. > > The additional Board seats would be added in a staggered format with > one > additional seat for election in each of the upcoming election cycles > starting with the 2022 election period. > ARIN seeks community feedback on this proposed increase to the size of > the Board. This consultation will remain open for 15 days. > > Please provide comments to arin-consult at arin.net. You can subscribe to > this mailing list at: http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/ > arin-consult. > > Discussion on arin-consult at arin.net will close on 15 March 2022. > > Regards, > > John Curran > President and CEO > American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN) > > > _______________________________________________ > ARIN-Announce > You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to > the ARIN Announce Mailing List (ARIN-announce at arin.net). > Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: > https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-announce > Please contact info at arin.net if you experience any issues. > _______________________________________________ > ARIN-Consult > You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN > Consult Mailing > List (ARIN-consult at arin.net). > Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: > https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-consult Please contact the > ARIN Member Services > Help Desk at info at arin.net if you experience any issues. > > > > _______________________________________________ > ARIN-Consult > You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN > Consult Mailing > List (ARIN-consult at arin.net). > Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: > https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-consult Please contact the > ARIN Member Services > Help Desk at info at arin.net if you experience any issues. > > _______________________________________________ > ARIN-Consult > You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN Consult Mailing > List (ARIN-consult at arin.net). > Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: > https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-consult Please contact the ARIN Member Services > Help Desk at info at arin.net if you experience any issues. -- -Barry Shein Software Tool & Die | bzs at TheWorld.com | http://www.TheWorld.com Purveyors to the Trade | Voice: +1 617-STD-WRLD | 800-THE-WRLD The World: Since 1989 | A Public Information Utility | *oo* _______________________________________________ ARIN-Consult You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN Consult Mailing List (ARIN-consult at arin.net). Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-consult Please contact the ARIN Member Services Help Desk at info at arin.net if you experience any issues. From owen at delong.com Mon Mar 7 10:47:13 2022 From: owen at delong.com (Owen DeLong) Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2022 07:47:13 -0800 Subject: [ARIN-consult] Fwd: [arin-announce] Consultation on Increasing the Size of the ARIN Board of Trustees In-Reply-To: <4d7fb3f898b34d0689504e0e7d84b9ef@BTWP000343.corp.ads> References: <4d7fb3f898b34d0689504e0e7d84b9ef@BTWP000343.corp.ads> Message-ID: > 2) I am in favor of staggering this growth over 3 election cycles as proposed, in order to provide time for the highest quality candidates to emerge. I do not believe the community would benefit from 5 out of 9 BoT seats effectively turning over in a single election cycle. Those additional two candidates would be serving shortened terms, and I am unconvinced that their quality would somehow be reduced by electing them in the same year. Absent an incumbent choosing not to run for reelection or resigning, two of the 5 are extremely likely to be existing board members (ARIN has a pretty strong history of incumbent reelection). Owen > > Regards, > > Matthew Wilder > > > -----Original Message----- > From: ARIN-consult On Behalf Of Mike Burns > Sent: March 2, 2022 02:46 PM > To: bzs at theworld.com; 'vinton cerf' > Cc: 'arin-consult' > Subject: Re: [ARIN-consult] Fwd: [arin-announce] Consultation on Increasing the Size of the ARIN Board of Trustees > > > > Diversity or lack thereof is not my particular concern, although I do favor diverse thinking, experience, and knowledge related to numbers stewardship and don't think that is necessarily bound to other measures of diversity. > > Rather, it is the preventing of board capture which particularly drives my support of the board expansion. > I rather favor Owen's suggestion. > > Regards, > Mike > > -----Original Message----- > From: bzs at theworld.com > Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2022 4:24 PM > To: vinton cerf > Cc: Mike Burns ; arin-consult > Subject: Re: [ARIN-consult] Fwd: [arin-announce] Consultation on Increasing the Size of the ARIN Board of Trustees > > > I'm sort of amazed that after at least 40+ years of diversity discussion and practices (obviously not limited to the networking > sphere) we go right back to year zero on the issue of whether or not including members of varying race, gender, etc introduce diversity and are a good thing or not. > > One thing is certain, the net/email/lists seem to make people believe they are gods and if they wish to advocate whether or not the earth is flat well, it's their keyboard to bang on, no need for external reference, studies, thoughts from experienced professionals, etc. > > Why not type "the value of diversity in governance" and read through some of the hits. Or read one or two from respected sources, including retrospective findings of studies on the topic such as: > > https://corpgov.law.harvard.edu/2020/07/14/maximizing-the-benefits-of-board-diversity-lessons-learned-from-activist-investing/ > > or > > https://www.councilofnonprofits.org/tools-resources/diversity-nonprofit-boards > > etc. > > also maybe enter "diversity and governance" into Amazon's book search and consider some titles. > >> On Tue, Mar 1, 2022 at 7:11 PM Mike Burns wrote: >> >> Hi Ted, >> >> I appreciate your general feelings about diversity, but diversity of >> thought is really the significant factor. >> I don't think diversity of race, gender, sexual orientation, ethnicity, or >> any of that matters in decisions about the stewardship of numbers. >> But diversity of thought is different and I don't think superficial >> diversity is the desire here, although I concur it may have been in the >> past. >> >> In addition to diversity of thought, one of the reasons offered for this >> change was protection from board capture. >> Although you may be right about difficulties reaching consensual decisions >> with larger boards, and those difficulties making larger boards appear >> conservative, I find that as organizations grow larger they actually grow >> less conservative as a rule. We could argue that point. >> >> But the advantages gained by making board capture more difficult outweigh >> the disadvantages associated with slower decision-making. >> And advantages of true diversity of thought and relevant experience are >> even more important. >> >> A board of only six members is very easy to capture and in the workings of >> the last NomCom I detected a real danger of that happening at ARIN. >> >> I take it at face value that the current and prior boards were honestly >> interested in reviewing ARIN governance and that this recommendation >> resonates with more than just a hired consultant but with the board members >> who commissioned the review. >> >> I am not a fan of ARIN expanding its number stewardship responsibilities >> beyond what is minimally necessary. I am not a fan of the board making >> charitable donations or spending lots of money on items tangential to >> number stewardship but some of the issues mentioned below do intersect with >> those responsibilities. Included among these are cybersecurity, risk >> management, and legal issues associated with the registration of >> increasingly valuable resources. These are issues the earliest boards may >> not have had to deal with, but these have become important today, and >> likely there will be other issues that arise in the future. >> >> It makes sense with proliferating duties to have a larger board, and >> additionally the protection afforded against board capture lead me to >> support this increase in board size. >> >> Regards, >> Mike Burns >> >> >> >> >> >> ---- On Tue, 01 Mar 2022 16:06:25 -0500 Ted Mittelstaedt >> wrote ---- >> >> >> Yes, this sort of thing is all the rage today. It's a big fad. >> Predictably the phrase "Increase diversity of thought on issues >> impacting the community" was included as a poison pill. >> >> Anyone arguing against the idea is immediately labeled as being against >> the magic "diversity" word and thus a bigot and racist and so has lost >> the argument before they even make it. >> >> You might consider that a hired consultant who says "thank you for that >> fat check you gave me, the reality is you are doing nothing wrong and >> don't need any of my suggestions" is going to be viewed as a scammer >> at worst, and a stupid waste of money at best. Management consultants >> ALWAYS recommend changes. You could hire a consulting firm to study >> the most successful and profitable company in the world and they would >> find something wrong. >> >> Go ahead if you want. It just means that even less will get done >> since in general the more members on any sort of governing committee or >> team, the more conservative it is, and the harder it is to arrive at >> a consensus. >> >> https://hbr.org/2009/05/why-teams-dont-work >> >> In another decade the next consultant will recommend shrinking the >> board >> so it really doesn't matter what you do now. >> >> Ted Mittelstaedt >> >> -------- Forwarded Message -------- >> Subject: [arin-announce] Consultation on Increasing the Size of the >> ARIN >> Board of Trustees >> Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2022 13:54:35 -0500 >> From: ARIN >> To: arin-announce at arin.net >> >> The Board of Trustees maintains authority over the scope, mission, and >> along with the President and Chief Executive Officer establishes ARIN?s >> strategic direction and fiscal oversight. The Board also has oversight >> authority of the nomination, appointment, and election of individuals >> to >> Board committees and similar roles. >> Over the past two years, as part of its fiduciary duties, the ARIN >> Board >> of Trustees (?Board?) has undertaken a review of ARIN?s governance >> structures, including the size of the Board. As part of this effort, an >> independent, outside consultant was engaged to review ARIN?s governance >> structures and provide recommendations. >> One recommendation from this governance review is to increase the size >> of the Board to strengthen its capacity to provide strategic and fiscal >> oversight of ARIN. Increasing the Board size will: >> 1. Increase the range and depth of overlapping skills and governance >> experience on the Board to augment its capability. Specific areas for >> strengthening include cybersecurity, risk management, finance, legal, >> technology and strategic oversight. This will require more than 6 >> elected seats at the board table to provide this experience. >> >> 2. Increase diversity of thought on issues impacting the community, >> limit the possibility of board capture, and balance the time commitment >> required of our community volunteers. >> >> 3. Ensure sufficient board capacity to engage in more focused, >> efficient >> governance activities, including participation in these additional >> valuable committees (e.g. Governance, Risk & Cybersecurity, and >> Strategy >> & Foresight) to manage the work and oversight duties of the Board, and >> to take on work that is requested by, and important to, the community >> as >> it evolves. >> >> The budgetary impact will not be material, as the only increased costs >> would be for travel costs involved in attending in-person Board >> meetings. The number of Board members travelling to any RIR meeting >> would not change. >> >> Board Proposal >> >> ARIN will increase the number of elected voting seats of the Board from >> six to nine. The currently available appointed voting seat would be >> removed. >> >> The additional Board seats would be added in a staggered format with >> one >> additional seat for election in each of the upcoming election cycles >> starting with the 2022 election period. >> ARIN seeks community feedback on this proposed increase to the size of >> the Board. This consultation will remain open for 15 days. >> >> Please provide comments to arin-consult at arin.net. You can subscribe to >> this mailing list at: http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/ >> arin-consult. >> >> Discussion on arin-consult at arin.net will close on 15 March 2022. >> >> Regards, >> >> John Curran >> President and CEO >> American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN) >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> ARIN-Announce >> You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to >> the ARIN Announce Mailing List (ARIN-announce at arin.net). >> Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: >> https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-announce >> Please contact info at arin.net if you experience any issues. >> _______________________________________________ >> ARIN-Consult >> You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN >> Consult Mailing >> List (ARIN-consult at arin.net). >> Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: >> https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-consult Please contact the >> ARIN Member Services >> Help Desk at info at arin.net if you experience any issues. >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> ARIN-Consult >> You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN >> Consult Mailing >> List (ARIN-consult at arin.net). >> Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: >> https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-consult Please contact the >> ARIN Member Services >> Help Desk at info at arin.net if you experience any issues. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> ARIN-Consult >> You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN Consult Mailing > List (ARIN-consult at arin.net). >> Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: >> https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-consult Please contact the ARIN Member Services > Help Desk at info at arin.net if you experience any issues. > > -- > -Barry Shein > > Software Tool & Die | bzs at TheWorld.com | http://www.TheWorld.com > Purveyors to the Trade | Voice: +1 617-STD-WRLD | 800-THE-WRLD > The World: Since 1989 | A Public Information Utility | *oo* > > _______________________________________________ > ARIN-Consult > You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN Consult Mailing List (ARIN-consult at arin.net). > Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: > https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-consult Please contact the ARIN Member Services Help Desk at info at arin.net if you experience any issues. > _______________________________________________ > ARIN-Consult > You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN Consult Mailing > List (ARIN-consult at arin.net). > Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: > https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-consult Please contact the ARIN Member Services > Help Desk at info at arin.net if you experience any issues. From ronald.v.dasilva at gmail.com Mon Mar 14 12:49:16 2022 From: ronald.v.dasilva at gmail.com (Ron da Silva) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2022 12:49:16 -0400 Subject: [ARIN-consult] ACSP Consultation 2022.2: Consultation on Elections and the Nomination Process In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <548DEAAC-5872-4ED6-8EBE-461A38B8C4B1@gmail.com> > Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2022 14:37:08 -0500 > From: ARIN > To: ARIN-consult > Subject: [ARIN-consult] ACSP Consultation 2022.2: Consultation on > Elections and the Nomination Process > Message-ID: <795653BD-4906-49E4-A838-2F5A99D3C7FE at arin.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8? > ? The Board Guidance Letter defines "Highly Recommended" and "Recommended" attributes. The NomCom would classify each qualified nominee as "Well Qualified," "Qualified" or "Qualifications not Demonstrated" based on evaluation of these attributes, in a fashion like that used by the American Bar Association (ABA) Federal Judiciary process. All qualified nominees would be added to the slate as candidates for election. The reasons for classifications would be published when the slate is announced. > ? The NomCom would report on the total number of individuals assessed for the election cycle. The consult window is closed, but glad to see steps for better transparency and accountability being considered.. good work coming from the Board GWG.. maybe it should be a standing committee on governance? -ron From ronald.v.dasilva at gmail.com Mon Mar 14 13:23:46 2022 From: ronald.v.dasilva at gmail.com (Ron da Silva) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2022 13:23:46 -0400 Subject: [ARIN-consult] Consultation on Increasing the Size of the ARIN Board of Trustees In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0904478D-A586-4EFE-8529-FCE82D55BC2C@gmail.com> > Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2022 13:54:29 -0500 > From: ARIN > To: > Subject: [ARIN-consult] Consultation on Increasing the Size of the ARIN Board of Trustees > Message-ID: <4931F2C5-23E9-4490-BE33-82730AB1B14F at arin.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > One recommendation from this governance review is to increase the size of the Board to strengthen its capacity to provide strategic and fiscal oversight of ARIN. Increasing the Board size will: > 1. Increase the range and depth of overlapping skills and governance experience on the Board to augment its capability. Specific areas for strengthening include cybersecurity, risk management, finance, legal, technology and strategic oversight. This will require more than 6 elected seats at the board table to provide this experience. > 2. Increase diversity of thought on issues impacting the community, limit the possibility of board capture, and balance the time commitment required of our community volunteers. > 3. Ensure sufficient board capacity to engage in more focused, efficient governance activities, including participation in these additional valuable committees (e.g. Governance, Risk & Cybersecurity, and Strategy & Foresight) to manage the work and oversight duties of the Board, and to take on work that is requested by, and important to, the community as it evolves. > > Board Proposal > ARIN will increase the number of elected voting seats of the Board from six to nine. The currently available appointed voting seat would be removed. > The additional Board seats would be added in a staggered format with one additional seat for election in each of the upcoming election cycles starting with the 2022 election period. > ARIN seeks community feedback on this proposed increase to the size of the Board. This consultation will remain open for 15 days. My initial reaction is to not support increasing the size of the board from six to nine. Nominally, it is seven to ten (including the voting CEO).. an even number being an obvious issue. Notwithstanding the even number issue, the argument sounds like the Board wants to be more operationally involved in issues that are best directed to the CEO for accountability. Now, arguing needing more Board members to ensure that a diverse set of skills are adequately represented, might be just an indication that the Board needs more rounded candidates who carry all/most of those areas of experience. Perhaps a Board self assessment to identify existing members who lack these needed skills and either a) developing a path to obtain them as a sitting Trustee or b) updating the ?desired qualifications letter? provided to the nomcom as a way to refresh the Board with candidates possessing the desires experiences and expertise? and yes that would likely mean not reappointing sitting Board members who are missing those qualifications. This concern about capture needs more discussion. I?ve heard the assertion that ?the Canadian? have captured the Board, control the votes in the elections and have more influence/impact than the rest of the ARIN service area. I?m not sure I buy into that assertion, but just put it out there because I hear people claiming it exists. That said, if there is a genuine concern about capture as a geopolitical concern, then perhaps putting some geographic diversity requirement to the Board would help address that ? e.g. require 2 members from the US, 2 from Canada and 2 from the Caribbean? or some variation on that, along with staggered seats, etc. Would love to hear thoughts on how to create some mandated geographic diversity, if in fact that is what is meant by ?risk of capture?. Now, combining those topics together.. perhaps would make some geographic mandate easier.. e.g. 3 US, 2 Canadian, 2 Caribbean and 1 at-large seat.. or similar distribution. ?? -ron PS: IF an increase.. I like Owen?s suggestion staggered approach in a single election? PPS: perhaps another option is to create an ?associate Board? role to allow for on-ramping and developing new Trustees who create a pipeline vs. increasing Board size ? From woody at pch.net Mon Mar 14 13:31:13 2022 From: woody at pch.net (Bill Woodcock) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2022 18:31:13 +0100 Subject: [ARIN-consult] Consultation on Increasing the Size of the ARIN Board of Trustees In-Reply-To: <0904478D-A586-4EFE-8529-FCE82D55BC2C@gmail.com> References: <0904478D-A586-4EFE-8529-FCE82D55BC2C@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A636EA5-2D01-4567-B14D-ED88A1B41395@pch.net> > On Mar 14, 2022, at 6:23 PM, Ron da Silva wrote: > Now, combining those topics together.. perhaps would make some geographic mandate easier.. e.g. 3 US, 2 Canadian, 2 Caribbean and 1 at-large seat.. or similar distribution. ?? I?ve got an old preso somewhere that I could dig up from back when I was on the board and trying to get the first Caribbean on? 3 US, 2 CA, 1 Caribbean substantially overrepresents both Canada and the Caribbean demographically, FWIW, so in _theory_ everybody should think that?s fair. In practice, the Canadian contingent has never wanted to be limited to two. Which is also a reasonable argument. -Bill -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 833 bytes Desc: Message signed with OpenPGP URL: From owen at delong.com Tue Mar 15 14:07:18 2022 From: owen at delong.com (Owen DeLong) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2022 11:07:18 -0700 Subject: [ARIN-consult] Consultation on Increasing the Size of the ARIN Board of Trustees In-Reply-To: <4A636EA5-2D01-4567-B14D-ED88A1B41395@pch.net> References: <0904478D-A586-4EFE-8529-FCE82D55BC2C@gmail.com> <4A636EA5-2D01-4567-B14D-ED88A1B41395@pch.net> Message-ID: Given the experience in AFRINIC with Geo-based board seats, I do not recommend importing this model to ARIN. It has been a major source of dysfunction there. Owen > On Mar 14, 2022, at 10:31 , Bill Woodcock wrote: > > > >> On Mar 14, 2022, at 6:23 PM, Ron da Silva wrote: >> Now, combining those topics together.. perhaps would make some geographic mandate easier.. e.g. 3 US, 2 Canadian, 2 Caribbean and 1 at-large seat.. or similar distribution. ?? > > I?ve got an old preso somewhere that I could dig up from back when I was on the board and trying to get the first Caribbean on? 3 US, 2 CA, 1 Caribbean substantially overrepresents both Canada and the Caribbean demographically, FWIW, so in _theory_ everybody should think that?s fair. In practice, the Canadian contingent has never wanted to be limited to two. Which is also a reasonable argument. > > -Bill > > _______________________________________________ > ARIN-Consult > You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN Consult Mailing > List (ARIN-consult at arin.net). > Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: > https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-consult Please contact the ARIN Member Services > Help Desk at info at arin.net if you experience any issues. From info at arin.net Wed Mar 16 10:02:52 2022 From: info at arin.net (ARIN) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2022 10:02:52 -0400 Subject: [ARIN-consult] Now Closed - ACSP Consultation 2022.3 - Increasing the Size of the ARIN Board of Trustee Message-ID: <1E647ED5-3A5A-4546-AC75-7B746179C012@arin.net> ARIN thanks those who provided valuable feedback during this consultation on increasing the size of the ARIN Board of Trustees. This important feedback will be provided to the Board for their consideration. Regards, John Curran President and CEO American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN)